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I am sure we know of the problems we have with commuter car parking?
What options are available to stop this blight and enable home- owners to park without the annoyance of those who use our side roads to drop their cars while they go to town via underground?
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Measures that I've seen used in the borough are:
Total daytime parking ban, as around Ilford Town Centre (Balfour Road, Thorold Road, etc.) . Nobody, except residents with their own off-road parking facility, can park during the day.
Partial parking ban - usually for one hour in the middle of the day. Stops all-day commuter parking but also affects residents who do not have off-road parking facilities.
As above but with some unrestricted parking. However, this would be available to anybody and residents would not be guaranteed a space.
Resident Parking Permit zone. Everybody pays to park on the road but, if demand exceeds supply, no guarantee of a space, even if you have paid for a permit.
Would you and all of your neighbours be happy with any of these options?
You might get some ideas more appropriate to your specific circumstances from people with knowledge of your area if you were to mention the roads/sections of roads involved.
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yellow lines operating for 1 hour between 11:00 and 12:00 and/or residents parking permits.
having said that, you do not have a "RIGHT" to park outside your home.
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What a dilemma. As part of the Big Con-versation, car parks were put foeard for selection to flog off. However, there is a need for car parks. As is, apparently, houses and, despite evidence saying less so, flats. With the construction of houses and flats (recent past, present and what is proposed, maybe the Cabinet members involved would tell us how the problems of over population, both by migrants and visiting cars, will be resolved? (I am sure a direct response is possible from them).
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Over-population is often the direct result of over-copulation. :)
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Morris Hickey wrote:Over-population is often the direct result of over-copulation. :) That is true - however, more housingg/flats = increase in migration = more traffic/high demand for public transport. in conjuction people become sick = high demand for treatment both in the primary and acute settings. Although not guaranteed, high population could = high rate in crime. And the list goes on!!!! At least with over copulation, the high level of car ownership and need for more housing will be at least 16 years before it is needed. Some might even want to move away from the area.
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Is over copulation what I think it is and leads to over population?
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Part of our problem is that the yellow lines introduced in roads closer to the Underground station have 'pushed' commuter car parking back in the the back streets
Also, few of us are actual home owners... most accomodation is rented
The phrase NIMBY comes to mind but who will wish to help us to be free of the car parking blight?
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julie bradley wrote:Is over copulation what I think it is and leads to over population? In a majority of cases, yes. However there are a few other methods, one of which might be interesting enough to start another thread.
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Dont forget that pay and display meters are going in the parks carparks to induce commuters elsewhere as well. Other measures
sounds intriguing? Surely not the dreaded clamp! or the moat around ones castle?
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I know it's a little 'off thread' but it doesn't help that there are so many multi-car households. In our street of 30 houses, we have off street parking for 32 cars, but have a total of 56 cars in the street, barring visitors. Two of these do not have a car at all and have regular visitors to help them so I supppose their helpers cars should count too, so that's 58. (Yes I'm sad enough to count them!)
I have one car and off street parking, but because I am surrounded by houses with three or more, am increasingly having difficulty getting into my off street spot. Luckily my neighbours are not averse to me knocking on their door asking them to move over a bit so I can get in.
I would love to have some trees planted in the street, but there would be uproar over the number of parking spaces lost, because just like most of the roads here, the carriageway is not quite wide enough to permit parking on both sides on the road and still get a dust-cart or ambulance through.
Ask anyone who lives near a school, shops or place of employment and you will find the same gripes about other people coming along and parking in 'our' streets, when none of us have absoulute right to park on the highway anyway.
So in summary, out of area commuters don't help but there are too many cars anyway and it's the price we pay for independant travel. We have two options: find a way to live with it, or price car ownership up so much that there is only one car per household and listen to the squeals of indignation. I'm a realist so I'm going for the first option.
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My Uncle and Aunt used to live in Oaks Lane and they(and their neighbours) got fed up with commuters so the Council gave them no parking for an hour at midday during the week. They regretted getting that, and my Uncle got a parking ticket
on the day of my Aunts funeral. They also apparently had problems with the local church and synagogue who's worshipers
were know to park everywhere.
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There is apparently a trend nowadays for commuters to drive in from Outer Essex on the M11 and A12 then find parking outside shops and homes and then use their Oysters on the bus to a station. Residents and traders are suffering.
Commuters are allegedly parking in Claybury Broadway and Clayhall Park then getting a bus to Gants Hill. Wait and see what will happen when the new car parking area at Fairlop Waters is completed. Redbridge Sports Centre is already employing security staff to prevent commuters using their car park for Fairlop Station.
I know that there can occasionally be problems with a "dead-hour" scheme during the day but it can be made to work provided that there is adequate local consultation as to which hour that is. Other schemes are expensive to operate and each has its own problems.
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jawal1 wrote:I know that there can occasionally be problems with a "dead-hour" scheme during the day but it can be made to work provided that there is adequate local consultation as to which hour that is. Is that possible? I assume that the hour during which the ban operates is staggered from area to area so that the same CEO (or team of CEOs) can carry out enforcement by moving progressively from one area to the next, which makes any form of 'resident choice' impossible.
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knowsie wrote:jawal1 wrote:I know that there can occasionally be problems with a "dead-hour" scheme during the day but it can be made to work provided that there is adequate local consultation as to which hour that is. Is that possible? I assume that the hour during which the ban operates is staggered from area to area so that the same CEO (or team of CEOs) can carry out enforcement by moving progressively from one area to the next, which makes any form of 'resident choice' impossible. You are quite correct Knowsie.
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So is there a solution other than concrete/gravel the front garden, which is not really an answer long term. What does Snowdrop think of these conjectures?
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