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Too Many Indian Restaurants
davidnnewman
#1 Posted : 11 September 2008 12:23:21(UTC)
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I'm dismayed that it seems even more Indian restaurants are opening in Goodmayes Road. I like Indian food and I understand the need for healthy competition between businesses. But is it really necessary to have so many restaurants serving the same food concentrated in such a small area. Can anything be done about this? :(
vfmctax
#2 Posted : 11 September 2008 16:51:33(UTC)
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i believe the council can restrict the number of restuarants but can it restrict the style of food.?

if as you say they are all the same style then they will all be competing for the same customer base and the best will survive while the worst will go out of business which will solve your problem.
gurdie
#3 Posted : 13 October 2008 15:54:40(UTC)
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I think this is due to the increase of Muslims and Indians in the area. It show the health of the area if we have to eat at these establisments.
akramn
#4 Posted : 15 January 2009 20:12:19(UTC)
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gurdie wrote:
I think this is due to the increase of Muslims and Indians in the area. It show the health of the area if we have to eat at these establisments.


You don't have to eat at them...you can always go to Romford for some pie and mash if you prefer..
Morris Hickey
#8 Posted : 16 January 2009 10:28:57(UTC)
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akramn wrote:
gurdie wrote:
I think this is due to the increase of Muslims and Indians in the area. It show the health of the area if we have to eat at these establisments.


You don't have to eat at them...you can always go to Romford for some pie and mash if you prefer..




What an outrageous statement from Akramn! Is the Moderator guilty of allowing th T&C to be broken?
BryanDicker
#5 Posted : 16 January 2009 10:30:11(UTC)
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You don't have to eat at them...you can always go to Romford for some pie and mash if you prefer..[/quote]

Pie and Mash - although lush, is not exactly healthy (by the way, the pie and mash shop in Barkingside is not too bad). The question I would ask is why not the demand for dish's from other countries?? I am sure people from cultures other than Christians would eat British, French, Italian, or any other dish from other countries.
VerlorenHoop
#10 Posted : 16 January 2009 11:37:34(UTC)
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Morris Hickey wrote:
akramn wrote:
gurdie wrote:
I think this is due to the increase of Muslims and Indians in the area. It show the health of the area if we have to eat at these establisments.


You don't have to eat at them...you can always go to Romford for some pie and mash if you prefer..




What an outrageous statement from Akramn! Is the Moderator guilty of allowing th T&C to be broken?



I agree entirely with Mr. Hickey here, just imagine if the situation were reversed and a "white" person had said to someone from the Indian subcontinent, that if they didn't like it they could go to Bradford and have themselves a Balti. It may well not have been made as a racist comment, in fact almost certainly not, but racism works both, or even all ways, and if the comment from my example had been made I can only imagine the uproar from those whose first option is to play the race card.

VH, partial to both Pie/Mash and a good curry.
jackiel
#6 Posted : 16 January 2009 11:54:42(UTC)
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BryanDicker wrote:


You don't have to eat at them...you can always go to Romford for some pie and mash if you prefer..


Pie and Mash - although lush, is not exactly healthy (by the way, the pie and mash shop in Barkingside is not too bad). The question I would ask is why not the demand for dish's from other countries?? I am sure people from cultures other than Christians would eat British, French, Italian, or any other dish from other countries.[/quote]

I think the original complaint was about lack of variety, not that it was foreign. People do like Indian food, clearly, but when your choice is between about eight Indian takeaways and nothing else it is obviously not a choice!

As for pie and mash, it is not unhealthy in moderation. As long as you are talking proper pie and mash (Cooks or Kellys) and not the local wannabees. I seem to remember that the pastry is made without fat, and because the meat is steam cooked within the pie as part of the baking process - you wouldn't get all that nice gravy otherwise - there is no added fat there either! Add mashed potatoes without butter and the liquor (a thin parsley sauce) and in all probability it is more healthy that a burger or a fish and chip supper.
BryanDicker
#7 Posted : 16 January 2009 12:24:17(UTC)
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jackiel wrote:
BryanDicker wrote:


You don't have to eat at them...you can always go to Romford for some pie and mash if you prefer..


Pie and Mash - although lush, is not exactly healthy (by the way, the pie and mash shop in Barkingside is not too bad). The question I would ask is why not the demand for dish's from other countries?? I am sure people from cultures other than Christians would eat British, French, Italian, or any other dish from other countries.


I think the original complaint was about lack of variety, not that it was foreign. People do like Indian food, clearly, but when your choice is between about eight Indian takeaways and nothing else it is obviously not a choice!

As for pie and mash, it is not unhealthy in moderation. As long as you are talking proper pie and mash (Cooks or Kellys) and not the local wannabees. I seem to remember that the pastry is made without fat, and because the meat is steam cooked within the pie as part of the baking process - you wouldn't get all that nice gravy otherwise - there is no added fat there either! Add mashed potatoes without butter and the liquor (a thin parsley sauce) and in all probability it is more healthy that a burger or a fish and chip supper.[/quote]

Most foods are healthy in moderation, for example red meat, red wines ect. How many pies are home cooked in pie and mash shops?? You have mentioned removing the Liquer, the best part of the pie and mash. I look forward to that when I go to Danny's.
One argument was about the epidemeology of the area. My contribution suggests increase variety.
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#12 Posted : 16 January 2009 15:15:26(UTC)
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A number of posts for this thread are starting to stray off topic and talk in general terms about food.

In order to maintain the forum, and avoid too much moderation of off topic material, a new thread has been created specifically to discuss food :)

View our food for thought thread
londonkal
#14 Posted : 16 January 2009 16:38:50(UTC)
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My congrats to anyone starting a business in this current climate, and contributing money and jobs to the Redbridge economy.

I would really like to see more food variety in the area, but not everyone is keen to invest money in starting something new if the demand is unknown. The food court model works really well in South East Asia if there was a location big enough in the area to help 10 different local micro restaurants set up. Then the ones that are doing well would feel it less of a risk to move up a stage to a full blown restaurant.

Morris - I think Gurdie's statement is just as questionable. I mean why "Muslims and Indians", and not Muslims, Hindus & Sikhs, or Indians, Pakistanis or Bengalis. If you are going to start labelling need to decide if you are gonna blame a faith or a race, and not mix the two. I can appreciate why you have raised an objection, but on the other side there is an implication that increased number of "Muslims and Indians" affects the health of the area by more Indian restaurants.
Morris Hickey
#15 Posted : 16 January 2009 18:59:36(UTC)
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Londonkal - I agree. I like Indian food; I also like Chinese, Italian, Thai, Spanish, French, Greek, and traditional English dishes like roasts, steak & kidney pie, fish & chips, bangers & mash, stews, and so on. I think the point that was clumsily made previously is that in some areas there is an over-abundance of one kind, and insufficient variety.
VerlorenHoop
#16 Posted : 19 January 2009 10:51:40(UTC)
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Londonkal, what a great idea. If a scheme were set up to start a food court for independent start-ups with the "big-boys" excluded, and maybe a little help, financial or otherwise for the entrepreneurs, then if successful they could look at starting a full size business. There MUSt be somewhere viable that this could work. Any ideas anyone ?
Morris Hickey
#17 Posted : 19 January 2009 12:14:54(UTC)
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The "food court" idea is very attractive. It was once a very good feature in Ilford's "Exchange" shopping centre. The area now is really quite appalling.
VerlorenHoop
#18 Posted : 19 January 2009 16:01:58(UTC)
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Perhaps Unity square could include a Food stall court representing the vast swathe of the world from which Redbridge residents come. I'm all for trying chocolate-covered ants for instance, are there any south american residents vwersed in their preparation ? I make a mean pancake and would be glad to help out on such a stall. Ideas ?
londonkal
#19 Posted : 19 January 2009 23:06:18(UTC)
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Morris/Verloren - I would be there quite often if we had so much choice, and it was all supporting local small businesses.

Maybe the issues with Unity Square are a blessing in disguise and we can request something even more community focused with less focus on big-name business. (http://www.redbridge.gov.uk/cms/news__events/latest_news/bellway_ends_its_involvement.aspx)

Is there a Mexican restaurant in Redbridge? We need a food revolution!! I can see the marketing campaign already! "Take a bite out of Redbridge" with big teeth marks on the Redbridge Logo, and a coriander leaf instead of the hc leaf :)

But seriously taking into account any elderly, homeless or low income situations where people may not be even getting meals, and also helping existing take-aways transform their offering without making them out to be the bad guys. If we can prove there is a demand for variety I am pretty sure they would take notice.

I look forward to pancakes (and chocolate-covered ants!)
LOOKERON
#20 Posted : 20 January 2009 18:59:09(UTC)
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Unity Square when it happens would be ideal for food outlets.
BryanDicker
#21 Posted : 21 January 2009 17:04:22(UTC)
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Anything will do, there is'nt much variety, and when I take my children (and when my baby son is old enough to solids), I would like them to have variety.
Quest
#22 Posted : 24 September 2009 22:51:06(UTC)
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I agree with the original poster there needs to be more variety in the business premises in locality.
This also included the number of fied chicken shops and licenced premises including the night club near seven kings station and the new Irish Bar on the High Road, Nr MacDonalds.
These premises having a detrimental effect on the area.
The local council and local councillors need to address this issue.
melitabeckers
#24 Posted : 25 September 2009 13:30:54(UTC)
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THe night club by the station has been a part of Ilford for as long as i can remember(20 years) as for the Irish Bar being bad for the area it shows that there is a large irish community in the area and like all communities i personally am glad of them as it brings in different people into the area and it hopefully will bring more cultrual communities that will be involved with the kids and provide support for community projects which have been in short demand. how often have we seen kids hanging around the streets because they haven't got the money to do anything - Bring back youth clubs with sports for all the kids to join
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