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KingRat
#1 Posted : 02 September 2009 13:57:02(UTC)
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Will banning the sale of old style 100 Watt bulbs really save our planet?

Have the new style bulbs been proved safe?

I'm yet to be convinced about the new style light bulbs - they give me headaches, they are not as bright, the lights flicker and they take too long to warm up!

What do you think?
weggis
#2 Posted : 02 September 2009 18:14:32(UTC)
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KingRat wrote:
Will banning the sale of old style 100 Watt bulbs really save our planet?

Not on it's own, No!
But it's not the Planet that is in danger, it's us.
I'm not a fan of a ban. I much prefer persuasion and encouragement.
When energy gets scarce and price increases, designers and manufacturers will have to think hard about the energy efficiency of their products. Market forces and innovation are the key ingredients of human nature.

Have you tried the new LED bulbs?
knowsie
#3 Posted : 02 September 2009 22:52:46(UTC)
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KingRat wrote:
Will banning the sale of old style 100 Watt bulbs really save our planet?

Exceedingly unlikely!

KingRat wrote:
Have the new style bulbs been proved safe?

Ah! You've obviously been taking notice of the rumour-mongers who've sprung up to terrify us with horror stories about what these CFLs (Compact Fluoresent Lamps) contain! Have you never seen a fluorescent tube before? They've been around for about 70 years and use exactly the same technology as the modern compact devices. As far as safety is concerned, I would suggest that it is much easier to smash a 5' tube, whether in or out of service, than one of these miniscule ones!

KingRat wrote:
I'm yet to be convinced about the new style light bulbs - they give me headaches, they are not as bright, the lights flicker and they take too long to warm up!

Some of the earlier ones - particularly cheap ones of indeterminate origin - were prone to the problems you describe but modern CFLs from reputable sources perform very well. The warm-up time you mention was a particular disadvantage at one time and I refused to fit them in places, such as stairways, where the delay could be a safety hazard in an emergency. That time is long gone and all my CFLs now produce instant light.

Regarding brightness, it's important to replace like with like - many CFLs equate only to 60W (or even 40W) incandescent bulbs - they are obviously not going to be suitable replacements for 100W bulbs!

Also, due to the long lifetime of CFLs, you could be using (and even have a stock of) earlier, worse performing, lamps.

Presumably you are not a stranger to fluorescent lighting and don't suffer any problems with it - if so, you didn't mention it! If you use modern, good quality, CFLs, you shouldn't have any problems.

VerlorenHoop
#4 Posted : 03 September 2009 10:31:37(UTC)
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Indeed knowsie, these lamps are somewhat a victim of their own success. I have only had occasion to change one that has stopped working and I've been using them since they first arrived, over 15 years ago. Many of my first generations ones do take a second or two to warm up to a resonable light level, but the newer ones I have added since are far better. There are lamps of this type for many purposes now, from desk lamps to external floodlights so almost all applications can be catered for. If nothing else the energy saved in not having to change them as often will help out. I have also tried the LED versions of the halogen (GU10) lamps and find them to be extremely good for both light quality and response, so I would commend these to anyone fitting a new light system. Legally you probably have to have a qualified electrician, but these low-voltage syatems are fairly easy to fit for anyone with a little practice in electrics.
simplesimon
#5 Posted : 20 September 2009 00:48:57(UTC)
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The regulations only apply to domestic lights.

So, at least in theory light bulbs intended for commercial use will still be available. But these "rough service" lamps may cost more to buy.

Simon
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