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Morris Hickey
#25 Posted : 08 February 2012 00:46:43(UTC)
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weggis;13484 wrote:
ashokdrathod @ 13:56pm wrote:
I have been out today (07/02/2012) around Barkingside area and from what I saw, it was self evident that there was no gritting in this part of the Borough (i.e. North East part).

Well, I've been out tonight. To Fairlop Waters for a meeting and then the New Fairlop Oak.

The roads had been gritted.


I should jolly well hope they had Weggis - there were 10 hours between ashokdrathod's post and yours. The temperature had dropped to -4.5C by 5.30 pm. I note that you went to the Fairlop Oak......
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ashokdrathod
#22 Posted : 08 February 2012 14:46:48(UTC)
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weggis;13484 wrote:
ashokdrathod @ 13:56pm wrote:
I have been out today (07/02/2012) around Barkingside area and from what I saw, it was self evident that there was no gritting in this part of the Borough (i.e. North East part).

Well, I've been out tonight. To Fairlop Waters for a meeting and then the New Fairlop Oak.

The roads had been gritted.


Weggis....by last night, I understand that you mean on the evening of 07/02/2012 as from 7pm. If the areas you claim to have been gritted, then they may well have been as from 7pm on 07/02/2012 which was mentioned on the council's 'gritting' page, under their update section? Which I see that 'All routes' are to be gritted again tonight (i.e. as from 7pm 08/02/2012)? By 'all routes', I take it to understand that all roads as per the schedule listed on the council's web page, which Cllr Bond referred to in another similar string of comments on this matter? However Weggis, my above observation around Barkingside was made prior to 2.00pm on 07/02/2012, when there was no evidence of gritting at the time or even days prior to that since the snow fall (i.e. on the evening of 04/02/2012).

Weggis, your confirmation of last night with Beermonster's and Morris Hickey's comments prior to that; together with my own observations prior to your meeting last night, just re-affirms that not all routes had been gritted in the hours before and after the snow fall on the evening of 04/02/2012. Weggis your comments has just demonstrated (self-evident in itself) that the decision makers about operational matters behind gritting at management level lacked coordination which clear reflects poor management in the eyes of the residents around the borough. No text, with emphasis in bold by your comments will overcome the fact/s of the matter in what has occurred....except council managers behind gritting to accept this and learn from this for any future snow fall that the Met weather office forecasts.........may be third time lucky next year round or next snow fall to get it right (i.e. effectively and resourcefully without any wastage, e.g. no gritting applied once the snow / ice has already melted away, which appears to have been the case this time).
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Morris Hickey on 08/02/2012(UTC)
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#28 Posted : 08 February 2012 14:53:36(UTC)
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I didn't know the ale in the Fairlop Oak was so strong......
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weggis
#23 Posted : 08 February 2012 16:09:32(UTC)
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ashokdrathod wrote:
<snip> at management level lacked coordination which clear reflects poor management in the eyes of the residents around the borough. <snip>

Should've gone to Specsavers .....?

Redbridge has a population of about 200,000. Many more non-residents will use Redbridge roads.
Three of them are on this site complaining.

This resident is of the opinion that Redbridge Council's response to the recent weather conditions has been very good, not only for gritting but also for keeping services like schools, meals-on-wheels and refuse collection from being disrupted.
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weggis
#26 Posted : 08 February 2012 16:13:19(UTC)
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Morris Hickey wrote:
I note that you went to the Fairlop Oak......

Yes, they do a very good pint of Bovril ....Flapper
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Morris Hickey
#27 Posted : 08 February 2012 16:56:21(UTC)
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weggis;13491 wrote:
Morris Hickey wrote:
I note that you went to the Fairlop Oak......

Yes, they do a very good pint of Bovril ....Flapper

Some of what they sell doesn't taste as good as that would.
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ashokdrathod
#24 Posted : 08 February 2012 17:00:59(UTC)
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weggis;13490 wrote:
ashokdrathod wrote:
<snip> at management level lacked coordination which clear reflects poor management in the eyes of the residents around the borough. <snip>

Should've gone to Specsavers .....?

Redbridge has a population of about 200,000. Many more non-residents will use Redbridge roads.
Three of them are on this site complaining.

This resident is of the opinion that Redbridge Council's response to the recent weather conditions has been very good, not only for gritting but also for keeping services like schools, meals-on-wheels and refuse collection from being disrupted.


LOL LOL LOL
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Morris Hickey
#29 Posted : 08 February 2012 17:27:40(UTC)
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Differences of opinion/view are essential to the preservation of democracy.
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ashokdrathod on 08/02/2012(UTC)
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#30 Posted : 08 February 2012 20:36:25(UTC)
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Morris Hickey;13495 wrote:
Differences of opinion/view are essential to the preservation of democracy.


I agree 100%, Oops sorry I meant to say 110%.

As well as being able to see compliments (which I am sure are many), however, people in council should also be prepared to take criticisms with view to turning them around as positive objectives to work towards to and resolving; rather than try to defend their failed actions and/or lack of? There appears to be 1/2 users on this site who appears to take the offensive stance to any comments being posted with abusive and insulting remarks in return.

I agree with your statement Morris. I thought this forum / platform was just that (perhaps not?); to attract differences of opinion / view on matters about our borough and how those who are elected and paid within the council to enact on their duties properly, effectively and without hindrance to others and the people they serve (value for money and how money is spent wisely under the current economic times, in that we all face this together....after all; 'We are all in this together', are we not?). People in council will always be under the spot light of criticism etc....but it is how they approach / deal with those criticism that is directed at them, e.g. in a positive manner with that honest and transparent language exchanged, which will help them as well as the borough residents that they seek to serve to see it. Being on the fence and taking offending stance to criticisms, does not preserve democracy of different opinions and views. BigGrin Cool Love RollEyes Smile ThumpUp
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weggis
#31 Posted : 09 February 2012 00:47:52(UTC)
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ashokdrathod wrote:
<snip> .. but it is how they (the council) approach / deal with those criticism that is directed at them, e.g. in a positive manner with that honest and transparent language exchanged, which will help them as well as the borough residents that they seek to serve to see it. <snip>

It is my experience that Officers and Councillors respond favourably to constructive suggestions ..... eventually. However, their potential action in response is more often than not limited by Government legislation.

Nonetheless, if you feel that "the decision makers about operational matters behind gritting at management level lacked coordination which clear [sic!] reflects poor management" then I suggest you write directly to the Cabinet member Cllr Mrs Dunn explaining exactly what the problem is and how to put it right.
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Morris Hickey
#37 Posted : 09 February 2012 10:11:31(UTC)
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weggis;13499 wrote:
...... then I suggest you write directly to the Cabinet member Cllr Mrs Dunn explaining exactly what the problem is and how to put it right.


So does that guarantee that he willl receive a reply?
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#38 Posted : 09 February 2012 12:19:21(UTC)
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Morris Hickey wrote:
So does that guarantee that he willl receive a reply?

Obviously I cannot give such a guarantee. But I can say that, to date, I have always received a prompt reply.
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Morris Hickey
#39 Posted : 09 February 2012 13:30:54(UTC)
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weggis;13505 wrote:
Morris Hickey wrote:
So does that guarantee that he willl receive a reply?

Obviously I cannot give such a guarantee. But I can say that, to date, I he always received a prompt reply.

Lucky old you!
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ashokdrathod
#32 Posted : 10 February 2012 01:35:42(UTC)
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weggis;13499 wrote:
ashokdrathod wrote:
<snip> .. but it is how they (the council) approach / deal with those criticism that is directed at them, e.g. in a positive manner with that honest and transparent language exchanged, which will help them as well as the borough residents that they seek to serve to see it. <snip>

It is my experience that Officers and Councillors respond favourably to constructive suggestions ..... eventually. However, their potential action in response is more often than not limited by Government legislation.

Nonetheless, if you feel that "the decision makers about operational matters behind gritting at management level lacked coordination which clear [sic!] reflects poor management" then I suggest you write directly to the Cabinet member Cllr Mrs Dunn explaining exactly what the problem is and how to put it right.


Just as I thought.......So Weggis; what you are saying is, that Redbridge Officers and Councillors are only use to receiving compliments and roses. They are not use to the constructive criticisms then? You know what I say to that.......If you can not stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen!!!

Btw, I think I may take up your suggestion and perhaps contact Cllr Mrs Dunn in the near future, if things do not improve?
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#33 Posted : 10 February 2012 13:42:23(UTC)
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ashokdrathod wrote:
So Weggis; what you are saying is, that Redbridge Officers and Councillors are only use to receiving compliments and roses.

Au contraire! You only have to take a brief trawl through past topics on this Forum to see that.

ashokdrathod wrote:
They are not use to the constructive criticisms then? You know what I say to that.......If you can not stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen!!!

I wrote that they respond favourably to constructive suggestions, did you miss that bit?

The problem with “constructive criticism”, as you have so ably demonstrated, is that the constructive bit is usually missing. It is very easy to spot what has gone wrong but somewhat more difficult to suggest a way of putting it right.
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#34 Posted : 10 February 2012 22:50:38(UTC)
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weggis;13518 wrote:
ashokdrathod wrote:
So Weggis; what you are saying is, that Redbridge Officers and Councillors are only use to receiving compliments and roses.

Au contraire! You only have to take a brief trawl through past topics on this Forum to see that.

ashokdrathod wrote:
They are not use to the constructive criticisms then? You know what I say to that.......If you can not stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen!!!

I wrote that they respond favourably to constructive suggestions, did you miss that bit?

The problem with “constructive criticism”, as you have so ably demonstrated, is that the constructive bit is usually missing. It is very easy to spot what has gone wrong but somewhat more difficult to suggest a way of putting it right.


Wow......finally an acknowledgment of failure / guilt perhaps? Which is not a bad thing......because it shows that comments are being listened to and taken seriously.

As with the constructive suggestion in this matter.....well here it is, follow the daily Met weather forecasts more closely in the future, particularly during winter time (be sure not to miss that bit?). Learn from your mistakes made previously and be better prepared, better planned and coordinate your operational tasks more effectively than previously?

Also approach any constructive criticisms / comments with that positive attitude, turn them around as positive objectives to work towards to; as oppose to taking them on the offensive at all times.
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weggis
#35 Posted : 11 February 2012 00:44:54(UTC)
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ashokdrathod wrote:
Wow......finally an acknowledgment of failure / guilt perhaps? Which is not a bad thing......because it shows that comments are being listened to and taken seriously.

As with the constructive suggestion in this matter.....well here it is, follow the daily Met weather forecasts more closely in the future, particularly during winter time (be sure not to miss that bit?). Learn from your mistakes made previously and be better prepared, better planned and coordinate your operational tasks more effectively than previously?

Also approach any constructive criticisms / comments with that positive attitude, turn them around as positive objectives to work towards to; as oppose to taking them on the offensive at all times.



Do you really think that the council don’t take any notice of the bleedin’ weather forecast?

And where is the acknowledgment of failure / guilt?

Let’s recap for the benefit of other readers…
weggis wrote:
It is my experience that Officers and Councillors respond favourably to constructive suggestions ..... eventually.

ashokdrathod wrote:
So Weggis; what you are saying is, that Redbridge Officers and Councillors are only use to receiving compliments and roses.

Did I say that? Tell me if I did. I’d really like to know. And before Ashok accuses me of taking his comments out of context and twisting his words.

weggis wrote:
Au contraire! You only have to take a brief trawl through past topics on this Forum to see that.

ashokdrathod wrote:
Wow......finally an acknowledgment of failure / guilt perhaps?

A statement of fact on my part, interpreted as failure? "Reasonable comprehension" is not exactly Ashok's strong point is it?

a) you can’t amend your posts
b) you can’t delete your posts
c) you can’t even delete you own profile
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Pseudolus
#40 Posted : 11 February 2012 11:24:34(UTC)
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Now, now, children...behave...
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ashokdrathod
#41 Posted : 20 February 2012 22:54:37(UTC)
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Another exemplary example of inconsistent moderation by the moderator!
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Morris Hickey
#43 Posted : 20 February 2012 23:57:55(UTC)
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ashokdrathod;13600 wrote:
Another exemplary example of inconsistent moderation by the moderator!

They've done far more of that than answering questions.
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