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Morris Hickey
#1 Posted : 18 August 2007 08:57:11(UTC)
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The High Street was recently resurfaced - no doubt at great expense, and with some inconvenience due to the road closures involved. Now I see that it has been marked out for kerb buildouts which will involve digging up parts that have been resurfaced. Surely the buildout work should have been done before the resurfacing? And if I remember correctly did not the Area Committee reject the buildout scheme? If so then on whose authority has the marking out been done?
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simonlewis
#2 Posted : 02 September 2007 13:38:45(UTC)
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Kerb build outs. Brilliant. And how exactly will that stop illegal parking. Anyone who knows anything about the high street knows that they will just park further into the road, and with the car park likely to go Barkingside is finished anyway
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Morris Hickey
#3 Posted : 03 September 2007 09:34:49(UTC)
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No response from Redbridge Council then.
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Morris Hickey
#4 Posted : 12 September 2007 11:10:53(UTC)
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And still nothing from Redbridge. Why on earth do they waste the money they filch from residents' wallets on expensive facilities such as this website and then ignore what is placed there? There is supposed to be a Cabinet Member for Communiction, among other things. Doing what apart from trying to flog off the borough's open spaces?
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Morris Hickey
#5 Posted : 13 November 2007 09:26:21(UTC)
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So still no response from Redbridge Council or the Chairman of Area 3 Committee. It's now becoming plain for all to see: more obstructions being placed on the carriageway which will impede the flow of traffic creating more traffic jams, the principal source of air pollution. But take heart folks. Having spent money putting it all in, there will come the time they spend more money taking it all out again as part of the upcoming High Street regeneration project.

We need some of the current spirit of Barnet here. All we seem to get to solve traffic problems in Redbridge is the past practices of Barnet, and they certainly did nothing for Barnet.
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#6 Posted : 16 November 2007 17:27:29(UTC)
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What happened in Barnet?
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Morris Hickey
#7 Posted : 16 November 2007 22:24:34(UTC)
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Since 2002 they have systematically removed speed humps and other "calming" measures with two somewhat suprising results. First, the number of personal injury accidents has reduced, and second the air quality has improved. The downside, perhaps, is that they have had their funding from TfL either reduced or stopped because of their "failure to conform to the mayor's policies",
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weggis
#8 Posted : 16 November 2007 23:57:13(UTC)
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Morris Hickey wrote:
Since 2002 they have systematically removed speed humps and other "calming" measures with two somewhat suprising results. First, the number of personal injury accidents has reduced, and second the air quality has improved. The downside, perhaps, is that they have had their funding from TfL either reduced or stopped because of their "failure to conform to the mayor's policies",


"Surprising"? More like "Embarrassing"
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Cllr Goody
#9 Posted : 19 November 2007 11:30:54(UTC)
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We did resurface the carriageway in Barkingside High Street in October 2006. The works were carried out as part of the 2006/07 Principal Road Network (PRN) renewal programme funded by Transport for London. All the works carried out as part of this programme were justified by condition data which is the result of annual structural surveys carried out by consultants employed by TFL. These surveys are nationally recognised and are used to prioritise all the PRN works over London.

When we looked at Barkingside High Street we were aware of the proposed Bus Initiative Scheme also funded by Transport for London; this was not to be funded until this year. However it was always our intention to resurface the road before carrying out the kerb build outs for practical reasons: it is easier to machine lay without additional obstacles such as kerb build outs, otherwise we have to hand lay areas where the machine can not get to, producing an inferior finish than one machine laid and rolled. All the new kerb being constructed at the moment is saw cut and then reinstated to provide a smooth finish in the channels. Any reinstated trenching that was necessary for electrical connections will be covered up by Anti-Skid surfacing.
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Morris Hickey
#10 Posted : 19 November 2007 11:57:09(UTC)
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So will not those build-outs be there obtructing the next relaying? Or are these new types of build-outs capable of being moved to assist resurfacing?

The southern end of Barkingside High Street is a shambles, and work currently in hand at the northern end will make even worse the traffic conditions in the High Street. Redbridge needs the determination of Barnet in ridding our streets of these obstructions, not making us a gridlocked borough.

I note that it has taken 3 months to respond to my posting dated 18 August, so perhaps I should not anticipate further comment before mid-February (2008?).
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dopeyf
#11 Posted : 19 November 2007 12:47:27(UTC)
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I would like to thank Cllr Goody for making his first post to this forum (and the first Cabinet Member) I am sure that readers and contributors to this forum that live in the borough will take heart, perhaps you can persuede your colleagues , Cllr Huggett on webcasts and regeneration of Barkingside and Cllr Bardon on
allotments to also make a contribution.
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BryanDicker
#15 Posted : 19 November 2007 17:36:17(UTC)
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They are watching, they are just the silent few!
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weggis
#12 Posted : 19 November 2007 20:47:14(UTC)
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dopeyf wrote:
I would like to thank Cllr Goody for making his first post to this forum....


Ditto. But you will notice that, despite the delay, it was in response to a serious and articulate posting. It is my view that this forum, as a new means of communication, may make some feel uncomfortable about using it. This may be indicative of why over 80% of postings to date [excluding Redbridge-i and Policy Admin] have been made by just 15 contributors, including myself. And almost 20% by one contributor alone. Perhaps the Cabinet are merely being “polite” not wishing to interrupt his monologue.

I would suggest that if we wish to encourage others, as well as Cabinet members, to participate then we [the contributors to this forum] need to make them feel comfortable and at “ease” to engage in rational and constructive debate.

If this means asking the Moderator to cut out spurious, inarticulate ramblings, postings for posts sake, idle chatter and jibes at those we wish to communicate with then I for one would support such a change in the T&C.
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weggis
#13 Posted : 19 November 2007 20:48:00(UTC)
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dopeyf wrote:
I would like to thank Cllr Goody for making his first post to this forum....


Ditto. But you will notice that, despite the delay, it was in response to a serious and articulate posting. It is my view that this forum, as a new means of communication, may make some feel uncomfortable about using it. This may be indicative of why over 80% of postings to date [excluding Redbridge-i and Policy Admin] have been made by just 15 contributors, including myself. And almost 20% by one contributor alone. Perhaps the Cabinet are merely being “polite” not wishing to interrupt his monologue.

I would suggest that if we wish to encourage others, as well as Cabinet members, to participate then we [the contributors to this forum] need to make them feel comfortable and at “ease” to engage in rational and constructive debate.

If this means asking the Moderator to cut out spurious, inarticulate ramblings, postings for posts sake, idle chatter and jibes at those we wish to communicate with then I for one would support such a change in the T&C.
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annesevant
#16 Posted : 20 November 2007 17:34:51(UTC)
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Well, I am able to sort out valuable comments ( valuable, in my opinion) from less valuable one. One cannot expect everybody to be sensible and pratical and think the same as oneself. Some councillors are mature and helpful and step in when they can provide valuable information. I would not expect them to be ranting and raving, I would expect them to be articulate and informative and, the ones who have contributed ( and have also given their names) are. The public are what they are, a mixed bunch!
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James Dewen
#14 Posted : 21 November 2007 08:52:51(UTC)
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weggis wrote:
dopeyf wrote:
I would like to thank Cllr Goody for making his first post to this forum....


Ditto. But you will notice that, despite the delay, it was in response to a serious and articulate posting. It is my view that this forum, as a new means of communication, may make some feel uncomfortable about using it. This may be indicative of why over 80% of postings to date [excluding Redbridge-i and Policy Admin] have been made by just 15 contributors, including myself. And almost 20% by one contributor alone. Perhaps the Cabinet are merely being “polite” not wishing to interrupt his monologue.

I would suggest that if we wish to encourage others, as well as Cabinet members, to participate then we [the contributors to this forum] need to make them feel comfortable and at “ease” to engage in rational and constructive debate.

If this means asking the Moderator to cut out spurious, inarticulate ramblings, postings for posts sake, idle chatter and jibes at those we wish to communicate with then I for one would support such a change in the T&C.


Pot & Kettle spring to mind here!
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Morris Hickey
#17 Posted : 21 November 2007 09:13:30(UTC)
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Does James Dewen really understand the expression he has used? Perhaps he could explain why he does so.
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annesevant
#19 Posted : 21 November 2007 09:45:34(UTC)
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James Dewen's comment demonstrates the incredible quality of the English language able to express so much in so few words.
If I was allowed my mother tongue, I would use a lovely French expression. Instead, I will translate word for word and that is 'hat down', which means I raise my hat to you, in admiration. (The translation cannot be literal.)
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James Dewen
#18 Posted : 21 November 2007 12:01:24(UTC)
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Morris Hickey wrote:
Does James Dewen really understand the expression he has used? Perhaps he could explain why he does so.


"If this means asking the Moderator to cut out spurious, inarticulate ramblings, postings for posts sake, idle chatter and jibes at those we wish to communicate with then I for one would support such a change in the T&C."

Mr Hickey, I'm surprised you have any doubt!

I Refer to Weggies reply posted to Bryan Dicker 02/11/07
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Cllr Goody
#25 Posted : 10 December 2007 10:29:05(UTC)
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The provision of build-outs is a commonly used traffic management measure throughout London and the rest of the country to regularise parking and improve sightlines at side road junctions. Road surfacing at build-outs is carried out in the same way as at pedestrian refuges and can therefore be accommodated.

The work at the southern end of the High Street has been successful in preventing parking outside the pay and display bays near road junctions and the new refuge by Horace Road provides safety benefits where a cluster of pedestrian accidents had been identified.

The work currently being implemented in the northern half of High Street has previously been discussed at the local Area Committee and has been agreed in a democratic manner.

The situation regarding traffic management measures in the London Borough of Barnet is a matter for Councillors in that borough to consider. The High Street Barkingside proposals have been designed following extensive investigations into traffic conditions in the area. Each location has to be considered on its merits and measures designed accordingly which take into account the needs of all road users. It is therefore inappropriate to make comparisons with Barnet.
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