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Cazbo
#1 Posted : 09 September 2011 14:22:15(UTC)
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My husband has parked in the same spot outside our house for 11 years - he parks with 2 wheels on the pavement but this does not stop people/buggies from getting past.

Our neighbours also park on the pavement but they have a transit van and a large hedge so people can not get past.

My husband received a parking ticket so I telephone the council to find out why. They say that you are not allowed to park anywhere on the pavement in Redbridge unless it states you can. There are markings on the pavement outside my house which are old and faded but show that parking on the pavment has been allowed in the past.

My husband and I are very angry that all of a sudden they can change the rules without telling us - we are going to appeal and hopefully get this issue resolved.
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ashokdrathod on 10/02/2012(UTC)
Morris Hickey
#2 Posted : 09 September 2011 14:29:11(UTC)
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Cazbo wrote:
My husband has parked in the same spot outside our house for 11 years - he parks with 2 wheels on the pavement but this does not stop people/buggies from getting past.

Our neighbours also park on the pavement but they have a transit van and a large hedge so people can not get past.

My husband received a parking ticket so I telephone the council to find out why. They say that you are not allowed to park anywhere on the pavement in Redbridge unless it states you can. There are markings on the pavement outside my house which are old and faded but show that parking on the pavment has been allowed in the past.

My husband and I are very angry that all of a sudden they can change the rules without telling us - we are going to appeal and hopefully get this issue resolved.


Welcome to rip-off Deadbridge 2011. I hope your appeal succeeds.
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ashokdrathod on 10/02/2012(UTC)
annesevant
#4 Posted : 09 September 2011 17:17:26(UTC)
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A word of caution: somebody I know found themselves in exactly the same situation and finally paid nearly £500 to the bailiffs (who even managed to clamp the car twice because they did not realise the fine had been paid on the first occasion). The ticket was issued on a peaceful Saturday afternoon, in August 2009, in a quiet residential area. They too had parked there for years without any mention they should not have. They contested the ticket but this got lost. In the mail? In the offices? Somewhere! Hearing nothing they thought it was over. The fine came back much later, much inflated and contesting at that time is too late and, without further ado, the bailiffs were instructed to act. Contesting a ticket is not for the faint-hearted.
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ashokdrathod on 10/02/2012(UTC)
knowsie
#6 Posted : 10 September 2011 12:01:04(UTC)
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Unfortunately for your husband, he has fallen foul of a little known law which applies to London - not just to Redbridge - which appears in the Highway Code:

"You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.

[Law GL(GP)A sect 15]"

In the absence of any signs, your husband has no case, I'm afraid.

This can obviously be a 'nice little earner' for Redbridge who have replaced some of the paving on the footway with a strip of tarmac adjacent to the kerb on many roads in the borough which has fooled the innocent/ignorant motorist into believing that it is lawful to park half on the pavement.

I have often wondered how many thousands of pounds the council could net in a one-night blitz of the borough to which there is no defence.

Your husband should be particularly wary of stating that he has parked like this for 11 years - effectively pleading guilty to around 4,000 similar offences ...!
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ashokdrathod on 11/02/2012(UTC)
annesevant
#8 Posted : 10 September 2011 13:29:17(UTC)
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On the other hand, people could park legally and completely block some roads used by buses. (I know where!)
What a state of affairs!
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ashokdrathod on 10/02/2012(UTC)
VerlorenHoop
#10 Posted : 12 September 2011 12:26:28(UTC)
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I have successfully contested 3 out of 4 of the parking tickets that I have received. The only one where my appeal was not upheld was the one where I thought I had the best case. Therefore it can be a rather hit and miss procedure, but I wish you luck in your challenge against this harshmess.
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ashokdrathod on 10/02/2012(UTC)
jatinder_seehra@yahoo.co.uk
#12 Posted : 19 October 2011 22:09:26(UTC)
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If everyone parked on the road, in my street and not on the pavement, nobody will be able to get through.
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ashokdrathod on 10/02/2012(UTC)
lynamc
#15 Posted : 03 November 2011 18:45:00(UTC)
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Hi,

Yes I'm afraid I was just fined for this also. My wife has had three operations recently so when my phone rings I need to answer it. I pulled onto the pavement to avoid blocking the road users and the little smart car with the camera parked onto double yellow lines to take the photo and drove on. £110 fine.

I was also previously fined for parking on a single yellow line where there the code clearly states there needs to be signs but there are none. I contested it and was told there are signs. I walked the entire area and still cannot find them. I had parked outside a shop on my wife's first outing since her third operation - the time period of the offense? TWO minutes!

I have numerous friends that unsuccessfully contested tickets and let it go to court. All were legitimate contests and they ALL won because there were no proper grounds for the fine. Their feelings from the courts reactions? They're tired of taking these cases. It's just a way to make more money from people that don't know the fine print.
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ashokdrathod on 10/02/2012(UTC)
Morris Hickey
#17 Posted : 03 November 2011 19:24:33(UTC)
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Dick Turpin is alleged to have had connections with this area - he is recorded as having lived for a while in Buckhurst Hill.

Redbridge Council would appear to be his natural successors both of them heavily engaged in highway robbery.

Good luck, lynamc. I hope you - and others - succeed in getting these outrages overturned.
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ashokdrathod on 10/02/2012(UTC)
ashokdrathod
#19 Posted : 10 February 2012 23:43:20(UTC)
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Well, well, well.......this is an interesting string of comments on this subject matter? I too have been terrorized by Redbridge years ago, with an illegitimate Penalty Charge Notice (PCN), which I would say occurred around or prior to 2006? It appears Redbridge is still playing the same game, going by the recent posts under this string of comments.

I will describe to you all........my traumatic and stressful experience as a story board explanation via the above posts individually (in bit chunks), so to assist / comment on their posts / comments specifically (which may be late for some, perhaps?). I only wish I had seen this much earlier.
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ashokdrathod
#20 Posted : 11 February 2012 00:28:37(UTC)
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Cazbo;12954 wrote:
My husband has parked in the same spot outside our house for 11 years - he parks with 2 wheels on the pavement but this does not stop people/buggies from getting past.

Our neighbours also park on the pavement but they have a transit van and a large hedge so people can not get past.

My husband received a parking ticket so I telephone the council to find out why. They say that you are not allowed to park anywhere on the pavement in Redbridge unless it states you can. There are markings on the pavement outside my house which are old and faded but show that parking on the pavment has been allowed in the past.

My husband and I are very angry that all of a sudden they can change the rules without telling us - we are going to appeal and hopefully get this issue resolved.


Please see my post / comment of #11 Posted : 10 February 2012 23:43:20 in addition to the below.

I too was parked half on pavement and half on road, on Cranley Drive at the cross road junction of Cranley Road & Cranley Drive whilst visiting the area which is off Ley street near the A12 junction. I have heard the saying that traffic wardens are like vultures, however, in my case I can certainly reflect to this saying as I was only gone for 5-10 minutes the most. In this area, particularly along Ley Street from A12 to up to Griggs Approach I have seen at least half a dozen or more wardens at any one time. Where I was parked (Cranley Drive), it too had marked pavements by way of a tarmac strip on the pavement near to the kerb-line on both sides of the road, so that the two way traffic can pass on this narrow road.

I was given a PCN ticket under code 62, 'Parked with one or more wheels on any part of an urban road other than a carriageway (footway parking).' I challenged this to them, initially via the telephone number as stated on the ticket. I was told after holding for a considerable lengthy time (with my phone bill ticking away) that the ticket was issued to me because I was too close to the cross road junction within 10 metres, in breach of the highway code. I asked them to confirm this in writing together with any photographic evidence they may have to support their case, as I re-iterated that I did not contravene code 62 as the area is clearly sign posted for one or more wheels of a vehicle to be parked on the pavement. This is when the game of table tennis commenced with written correspondences bouncing back and forth. I wrote to them, clearly drawing their attention to what was written on the PCN and what they subsequently confirmed in writing, which were two different codes of contravention! This story is by no means concluded.......please see below follow up comments via subsequent posts via others.
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ashokdrathod
#3 Posted : 11 February 2012 00:37:22(UTC)
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Morris Hickey;12955 wrote:
Cazbo wrote:
My husband has parked in the same spot outside our house for 11 years - he parks with 2 wheels on the pavement but this does not stop people/buggies from getting past.

Our neighbours also park on the pavement but they have a transit van and a large hedge so people can not get past.

My husband received a parking ticket so I telephone the council to find out why. They say that you are not allowed to park anywhere on the pavement in Redbridge unless it states you can. There are markings on the pavement outside my house which are old and faded but show that parking on the pavment has been allowed in the past.

My husband and I are very angry that all of a sudden they can change the rules without telling us - we are going to appeal and hopefully get this issue resolved.


Welcome to rip-off Deadbridge 2011. I hope your appeal succeeds.


I agree with Morris. Cazbo....stick to your guns, as Redbridge will terrorize you right up until your appeal date is nearby. Seek advise if you have to e.g. citizen advice bureau. Let us know on your progress. Best wishes.
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weggis
#21 Posted : 11 February 2012 01:20:44(UTC)
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So, in the last hour or so Ashokdrathod has "Thanked" everyone on this thread Except the one person, Knowsie, who has given the definitive reply.

What are we to make of that?

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ashokdrathod
#5 Posted : 11 February 2012 01:36:15(UTC)
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annesevant;12956 wrote:
A word of caution: somebody I know found themselves in exactly the same situation and finally paid nearly £500 to the bailiffs (who even managed to clamp the car twice because they did not realise the fine had been paid on the first occasion). The ticket was issued on a peaceful Saturday afternoon, in August 2009, in a quiet residential area. They too had parked there for years without any mention they should not have. They contested the ticket but this got lost. In the mail? In the offices? Somewhere! Hearing nothing they thought it was over. The fine came back much later, much inflated and contesting at that time is too late and, without further ado, the bailiffs were instructed to act. Contesting a ticket is not for the faint-hearted.


annesevant I agree with you that this is not for the faint-hearted, as my experience was bordering along the lines of being bullied. Please also see my post / comment of #11 Posted : 10 February 2012 23:43:20 and Posted: 11 February 2012 00:28:37 in addition to this comment.

Your comment and observation clearly demonstrates the same bullying tactics and also shows that the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing (vice-versa). Clearly if fine was paid on first occasion then the bailiffs should never have been instructed by the council. That is harassment and illegitimate. How convenient that the ticket got lost when contested, no doubt in the hands of Redbridge so that they can justify their instruction for bailiff action.

During my challenge as mentioned in the above posts, Redbridge escalated from £40 PCN to £80......as the story goes.....they even issued me the 'Notice to Owner Certicate' with now £120 costs. This is all during our game of table tennis in regards our letters going back and forth whilst the original contravention was disputed. With hindsight (after the whole saga ended), I acquired legal understanding that when there is a dispute, the opposite party should put matters on hold and not progress / pursue the matter until it is resolved via appeal or court. Knowing this Redbridge used their illegitimate bullying, harassing and terrorizing tactics so I cave in to pay up as they multiply cost against me. The law of the land is, 'you are innocent until proven guilty.' I requested Redbridge to prove that I allegedly contravened their subsequent claim and not as stated on the PCN. They would not provide me with this, therefore I lodged an appeal, once they escalated my original PCN fine from £40 to £80. Even after lodging an appeal they still had the nerve to issue me with the 'Notice to Owner Certificate' and lodged a counter appeal against me to recover £120. At this stage I waited for my appeal hearing date to come to have my day at the appeal. I knew with my strong conviction that I did not contravene any parking regulations for which I was wrongly issued with by some bullies who just wanted to rob me of my monies.

Therefore, annesevant I agree that PCN challenges is not for the faint hearted. However can you imagine how Redbridge has been operating and still is (going by the recent posts under this subject), by bullying those law abiding and vulnerable citizens made to look like non-law abiding citizens just in the interest of creating more revenue; with wardens awarded bonuses for generating the most PCNs in a day on a weekly basis? Where are the gone days when traffic wardens primary duties involved easing congested traffic and re-directing traffic from such? This story is by no means concluded.......please see below follow up comments via subsequent posts via others.
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ashokdrathod
#7 Posted : 11 February 2012 02:19:20(UTC)
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knowsie;12959 wrote:
Unfortunately for your husband, he has fallen foul of a little known law which applies to London - not just to Redbridge - which appears in the Highway Code:

"You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.

[Law GL(GP)A sect 15]"

In the absence of any signs, your husband has no case, I'm afraid.

This can obviously be a 'nice little earner' for Redbridge who have replaced some of the paving on the footway with a strip of tarmac adjacent to the kerb on many roads in the borough which has fooled the innocent/ignorant motorist into believing that it is lawful to park half on the pavement.

I have often wondered how many thousands of pounds the council could net in a one-night blitz of the borough to which there is no defence.

Your husband should be particularly wary of stating that he has parked like this for 11 years - effectively pleading guilty to around 4,000 similar offences ...!


Knowsie....I got PCN for parking on pavement, in a area where it was sign posted. When challenged, they then tried get me for parking within 10 metres of the cross road junction as they did not have a leg to stand on as to what was written on the PCN for which I appealed against. They filed counter appeal that PCN was for parking too close to the junction for which I also challenged and asked for proof of this by way of photograph/s on the alleged date and time as stated on the PCN. They could not provide me this. Therefore, I just waited for my appeal hearing date to come, so that I can have my day at the appeal and see Redbridge red in face....or should I say with egg on their face.

Knowsie, it is interesting because Cazbo seems to state that there is old markings which has faded away for people to park half on the pavement. If this is the case, then surely Redbridge are negligent in not re-lining the faded markings outside their house, which is an action of entrapment so to create more revenue. Or perhaps Redbridge did re-line it via their contracted out contractors using same or similar white lining material that has been used around Gants Hill roundabout which has already faded away within a year of the recent works being completed. Before we know it, we will have road works again around Gants Hill roundabout for white lining (what a waste!).

I wish Cazbo all the best in the appeal. With my challenge, I gathered evidence e.g. took photographs (of the spot where I was parked with the aid of my PCN locating me to the nearest lamp post), mapped out the area and measured the distance from the junction for which I was subsequently alleged for and not as per the black & white statement on my PCN. I would suggest Cazbo does the same......build up as much evidence as possible, e.g width of road, two way traffic or not, etc, etc? One thing I for got to mention, with mobile phones these days which have cameras with date and time functions (which I had at the time of my PCN wrongly issued to me), I took photos of my car on my return within 5-10 minutes of return. With hindsight now, I take couple of photos when ever I park around Redbridge roads on leaving my vehicle as a matter of course with date and time function. This is also because of vehicle theft, so that I would have proof as to where I was parked to show the Police should such event occurred.
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ashokdrathod
#22 Posted : 11 February 2012 02:22:41(UTC)
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weggis;13533 wrote:
So, in the last hour or so Ashokdrathod has "Thanked" everyone on this thread Except the one person, Knowsie, who has given the definitive reply.

What are we to make of that?



You may want to browse through it again..........obviously your specs from spec savers not working for you?LOL LOL LOL
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ashokdrathod
#9 Posted : 11 February 2012 02:25:00(UTC)
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annesevant;12961 wrote:
On the other hand, people could park legally and completely block some roads used by buses. (I know where!)
What a state of affairs!


I agree annesevant.
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ashokdrathod
#11 Posted : 11 February 2012 02:40:55(UTC)
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VerlorenHoop;12972 wrote:
I have successfully contested 3 out of 4 of the parking tickets that I have received. The only one where my appeal was not upheld was the one where I thought I had the best case. Therefore it can be a rather hit and miss procedure, but I wish you luck in your challenge against this harshmess.


Please see my other posts already posted on this subject matter about terrorizing experience with Redbridge regards wrongful PCN issued to me. I too was successful in contesting my PCN against Redbridge. I say, if you have strong conviction about it and you know you are right and you know that you are wronged by bullying tactics, then you should always appeal as that is your right to exercise as such. If you have supportive evidence against the other party, then it is not just a hit and miss procedure. Redbridge may want people to believe that, as they are just interested in creating revenue at your expense unduly and not really bothered if you have contravened or not?
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ashokdrathod
#13 Posted : 11 February 2012 03:23:31(UTC)
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jatinder_seehra@yahoo.co.uk;13104 wrote:
If everyone parked on the road, in my street and not on the pavement, nobody will be able to get through.


Jatinder, this is exactly why I was wrongly issued with PCN when I was parked half on the pavement on Cranley Drive dating back to around 2006. It appears nothing has changed with Redbridge. When I challenged Redbridge about this as the sign posts in the area actually encouraged this, they then turned around and said that I got the PCN because I was now too close to the cross road junction, which they put it in writing to me as they did not have a leg to stand on in regards to me parking half on the pavement. Therefore, I appealed. Even when I appealed they still escalated it further and issued me with 'Notice to owner certificate.' I waited for my appeal hearing date, which I must say that I was really looking forward to. Appeal date came through with a wait period of few weeks in between. Then, just a week before the appeal date, I received a letter from the appeals tribunal stating that Redbridge has withdrawn their claims on the PCN action against me. Redbridge bullied, harassed and stressed me out, to take money from me right up to the very end.

They did not give me closure or an apology for their wrongful issue of PCN, nor did they apologize to me for the undue stress and anxiety that they imposed on me because of their bullying action, tactic which appears to be still prevailing. They knew all a long that they did not have a case against me. They knew that they were wrong.....but however, by bullying (sending me letter after letter, demanding payment whilst dispute had already risen), they just wanted me to cave in and pay. I am sure that there has been lots of borough citizens falling foul to Redbridge's illegitimate tactics when it comes to PCNs. The string of comments under this subject is perhaps just a tip of the iceberg. Many perhaps have paid up under the threat of letters being dispatched, one after the other with accumulating amounts. Many I am sure do not challenge or will never report these occurrences because they do not want to be under such immense stress.

I once again say this........if you know that you have been issued PCN wrongfully and you feel strongly about your conviction....then appeal and be strong minded until the end. Seek advise from citizens advise bureau or legal source if have to? There is also plenty of information and help on the internet.......just google it.
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ashokdrathod
#16 Posted : 11 February 2012 04:08:36(UTC)
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lynamc;13172 wrote:
Hi,

Yes I'm afraid I was just fined for this also. My wife has had three operations recently so when my phone rings I need to answer it. I pulled onto the pavement to avoid blocking the road users and the little smart car with the camera parked onto double yellow lines to take the photo and drove on. £110 fine.

I was also previously fined for parking on a single yellow line where there the code clearly states there needs to be signs but there are none. I contested it and was told there are signs. I walked the entire area and still cannot find them. I had parked outside a shop on my wife's first outing since her third operation - the time period of the offense? TWO minutes!

I have numerous friends that unsuccessfully contested tickets and let it go to court. All were legitimate contests and they ALL won because there were no proper grounds for the fine. Their feelings from the courts reactions? They're tired of taking these cases. It's just a way to make more money from people that don't know the fine print.


Please see my other posts already posted on this subject matter about terrorizing experience with Redbridge regards wrongful PCN issued to me by warden on foot patrol.

Regards your encounter with this little smart car: If you were still in your car in the driver's seat and did not leave your vehicle, then surely this fine of £110 is illegitimate? It is like saying that you can be penalized unduly if you had to stop if you had chest pains? Besides, if you were on double yellow (still with your vehicle in the driver's seat) and the smart car photograph you as you say (presumably from behind you without your knowledge), then surely it too would be along the same stretch of road with double yellows, which would have taken the same stopping time as you. Therefore, the smart car too contravened the same parking code as you did and should also be issued with a PCN. The fact that it is council vehicle does not mean that it is immune from the same regulations, legislation that we all have to adhere with. The law applies to everyone equally and no one should be above it!

Regards your second encounter, if there should be signs on the basis that you got the PCN in the first place, for parking on yellow line and that there are none. Then surely your PCN is illegitimate. If there are no signs and the council says there are, then this sounds like that you were entrapped (this is where photos are helpful as evidence to the appeal).

Your friends who had their cases in court and successfully won, just goes to show how these PCNs are deemed as illegitimate, which were wrongfully issued in the first instance. It's a real shame. Imagine the time and resources that the council wasted in pursuing these wrongful issued PCNs.
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