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Reduce, Reuse, Recycle - but how?
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#1 Posted : 05 October 2011 23:45:10(UTC)
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Since the vast majority of our local councillors do not appear to know how to use this forum, or perhaps even that it exists, I am reproducing a post from Cllr Paul Canal's blog below:


Over to Paul.


Over recent months I have been Chairing a group of councillors, officers and external experts (WRAP, ELWA, LWrb) to find out how we can reduce the amount of rubbish we generate, reuse more of it and increase the amount we recycle.

We face massive cost increases in future years that will need to be met by reduced spending elsewhere or increased revenue. The more we can do now, the less painful the decisions in the future. Perhaps more importantly, we can also reshape our waste management strategy in the longer term.

We will only make progress with this project if we do it with people, not too them. And we can only achieve that if we get the views of as many people as possible. LBR are therefore launching a survey and I am keen it gets to as wide an audience as possible. Please click on the link, pass it on to colleagues and friends and feel free to email me at paul.canal@redbridge.gov.uk with any observations, ideas or suggestions.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/FXR23DW
scrutiny in redbridge
#2 Posted : 06 October 2011 11:59:25(UTC)
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It is good to see that this work has already been highlighted on the forum, with thanks to Barkingside 21.

The recycling questionnaire has been developed around some of the issues in the terms of reference for the Reduce Reuse and Recycling Scrutiny Working Group, which are to:

• Review the scope for waste minimisation
• Review the scope for greater recycling and reducing volumes sent to landfill
• Review the scope for more efficient waste collection
• Consider how recycling/refuse collection can reduce council expenditure and/or generate income.
• Look at how savings are passed back from East London Waste Authority (ELWA) to east London local authorities.
• Look at how the market for raw materials affects incentives for recycling.
• Investigate innovation elsewhere in local authority waste management and assess where it offers potential for the borough.

An online version of the questionnaire is available via the following link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/FXR23DW

For a hard copy of the questionnaire, or if you have any queries or suggestions, please email Jilly.Mushington@redbridge.gov.uk or telephone the Scrutiny Team on 020 8708 2739 / 2375.

We look forward to hearing from you.
Morris Hickey
#3 Posted : 06 October 2011 13:16:49(UTC)
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An excellent survey. Smile I hope it gets the good response that it deserves.
annesevant
#4 Posted : 06 October 2011 15:54:06(UTC)
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This survey is extremely well designed. Well done Scrutiny in Redbridge
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#5 Posted : 06 October 2011 16:56:42(UTC)
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Thank you for the positive comments and for taking the time to complete the questionnaire.

Responses will be collated and analysed at the end of December for submission in the scrutiny review report.
weggis
#6 Posted : 06 October 2011 21:07:01(UTC)
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1. Yes, very good initiative. But will it reach the people it needs to reach?

2. Rather than just a survey, perhaps also a public domain discussion (rare here I know) which could provoke valuable ideas and thoughts otherwise left untapped?

3. It always irks me that the “R” for REPAIR is usually missed out. Cobblers!

4. We do not recycle glass bottles! We recycle Glass. (ref: Morris Hickey) If we RE-USED glass bottles (like we used to do at the Off-Licence and still do if we have a Milkman) the Council (and the taxpayer) would be taken out of the equation. Why do we subsidise retailers like Tescos?

5. See next post
weggis
#7 Posted : 06 October 2011 21:41:28(UTC)
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The Plastic Spoon

The instructions on the side of our black recycling boxes, and the advice in leaflets is that Redbridge Council accept “Plastic Bottles”. Now, there are several different types of plastic, see graphic below, and most plastic products these days have one of those symbols etched into it somewhere.


So, I’ve just been up in the bathroom having a look at all the potions, creams, shampoos, mouthwash and other stuff. Then the toilet for the bleach and the Coca-Cola (it comes free with our Chinese takeaways and it’s an excellent toilet cleaner and “I’m not making it up”). Onto the kitchen for milk, sauces, salad dressing, tonic, sarsaparilla etc. And then the garage for the turps, meths, glues and sealants. (cue joke from Morris).

The milk bottles (and the tops) are number 2 HDPE. As were things like Bex Bissell carpet cleaner, baby lotion and talc. Also some of the products were just labelled PE (which is number2) like Nivea, Dove, Vaseline hand cream and Bleach.

But there were quite a few number 1s PET or PETE. Corsodyl, Listerene, Skin Spa and the spray shower cleaner plus the Turps.

Then we have the Number 5s PP. Nivea, Simple, Olay, and those just labelled PP (which is number 5) Radox and Femfresh.

There was also one plastic bottle labelled as Number 3 V.

We also have "plastic bottles" with no discernible marking at all. Tonic Water, Dry Ginger, and the Coca Cola and Meths although one can be forgiven for confusing the last two. Oh, and the Swarfega.

So, the “plastic bottles” that get put into my recycling box are types 1 PET or PETE, 2 HDPE or just PE, 3 V, 5 PP or just PP and indeterminate.

There was a Ferraro Rochet plastic box in the garage (with screws in it) which was type 6 PS and a “bottle” shaped container of Evo-Stick wood adhesive that was type 7 OTHER.

But get this. The Clover marge tub is type 5 PP. As are the plastic tubs that my Chinese takeaways come in but you can’t have those because we reuse them. Also the Solvite, Plastic Paint Pots and Filler. Then we have the No More Nails, Silicon Sealant, and PVA adhesive all type 2 HDPE.

The meat trays are mostly indeterminate, the sliced chicken tray is type 1 PET, but not the Ham which is “not currently recyclable”. The Flora has a “recycling symbol” but doesn’t say what sort of plastic it is.

Right. So, if Redbridge accept types 1, 2, 3, 5, and indeterminate in the shape of “bottles” why can’t you accept exactly the same types of plastic in other shapes and forms?
Morris Hickey
#8 Posted : 06 October 2011 23:09:32(UTC)
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weggis wrote:
Right. So, if Redbridge accept types 1, 2, 3, 5, and indeterminate in the shape of “bottles” why can’t you accept exactly the same types of plastic in other shapes and forms?


"Ours is not to reason why......"
Seagull
#9 Posted : 07 October 2011 09:07:10(UTC)
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Why do different boroughs/areas of the country recycle different things in their weekly/fortnightly collections?
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#10 Posted : 07 October 2011 12:36:45(UTC)
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Thanks for your comments, you have raised some very important points.

Re reaching those that need to be reached - a brief scan of the responses received indicates that the majority of people completing the questionnare already recycle, so we intend to have a multi-pronged approach to publicising it. The WG has already visited a residents' forum for their initial views and email circulars / posters will be sent to relevant voluntary/ community groups, Area Committees and the lford Recorder. There will also be a presence by the WG at some of the 'Making a Difference week' events.

Re your comments about the “R” for REPAIR, the WG were interested to learn about re-use centres in other areas, whereby some items can be repaired and resold. They have also noted the need for better communication to the public e.g. about recycling symbols. Such issues will be included in their findings.

We would very much welcome the idea of holding a public meeting / focus group and would be interested in hearing from anyone who would like to be contacted or who have good ideas about reaching those that do not currently recycle.
chippyweed
#11 Posted : 10 October 2011 10:31:36(UTC)
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We tend to use Sainsburys quite a lot for other cartons that Redbridge don't yet take i.e. plastic milk cartons, but, they don't seen to get the bins emptied enough and are always jam packed full. Recycling is doing well but please, lets have more emptying.
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#13 Posted : 10 October 2011 18:33:33(UTC)
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Your suggestion has been noted. Please do keep them coming.

Thanks.
weggis
#12 Posted : 11 October 2011 12:17:44(UTC)
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chippyweed wrote:
We tend to use Sainsburys quite a lot for other cartons that Redbridge don't yet take i.e. plastic milk cartons, but, they don't seen to get the bins emptied enough and are always jam packed full. Recycling is doing well but please, lets have more emptying.

I'll second that eMotion.
Morris Hickey
#14 Posted : 11 October 2011 14:39:37(UTC)
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When I have raised previously the inadequacy of emptying arrangements at sites like supermarkets I have been told that the council neither controls them nor is responsible for them. However, I would suggest that the council may have powers under the Environmental Protection Act (EPA) to take certain leagl actions for failure to maintain a clean environment. If that is so, then why does the council not use those powers?
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#15 Posted : 12 October 2011 09:16:37(UTC)
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I will raise this point at the Working Group this evening.

Thanks
weggis
#16 Posted : 16 October 2011 13:52:15(UTC)
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Scrutiny in Redbridge wrote:
I will raise this point at the Working Group this evening.

Thanks

Any feedback, SiR?
scrutiny in redbridge
#17 Posted : 17 October 2011 14:09:05(UTC)
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The Chief Highways and Cleansing Officer confirmed that, although the bins are on a private site, the Council works with retail outlets to ensure that they are well maintained and regularly emptied.
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#20 Posted : 18 October 2011 19:29:38(UTC)
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Dear Scrutiny in Redbridge,

Any chance of you stapling a few hard copy survey forms to Cllr Shoaib Patel's portfolio for when he comes to speak at our coffee morning next week? Our clientele is mostly non-internet.
annesevant
#24 Posted : 19 October 2011 14:38:26(UTC)
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Just as well that the not yet internet-savvy members of B21 will not have seen the last comment!
Morris Hickey
#18 Posted : 19 October 2011 19:54:03(UTC)
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Scrutiny in Redbridge wrote:
The Chief Highways and Cleansing Officer confirmed that, although the bins are on a private site, the Council works with retail outlets to ensure that they are well maintained and regularly emptied.


Could perhaps Cleansing and Planning talk to eaach other just occasionally? Then perhaps the facilities at supermarkets might have some uniformity of provision about them. As it is Sainsbury (Newbury Park) has no facility for glass containers, and Tesco (Barkingside) has none for paper. It's all very well doing our bit to save the planet - but we don't want to have to burn fossil fuel unnecessarily to do so.
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