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pixar_e1
#1 Posted : 15 December 2011 20:02:37(UTC)
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Seems a lot of people do not understand and this well and I urge people to go to the council site and the goverment site before making complaints resulting constraints on the planning resources having to make visit for complaints that do not have weight! I am sure the planning officer can better utilize their time on important matters!
julie bradley
#2 Posted : 20 December 2011 14:27:53(UTC)
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What sort of misunderstanding are you talking about? could you enlarge on your earlier post and perhaps enlighten some as to what is permitted.
annesevant
#3 Posted : 21 December 2011 10:32:56(UTC)
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I might be wrong, but my 'understanding' is that Planning will interfere only after a permitted development has been completed. Further more, Planning will only check a 'questioned' permitted developement if somebody is determined enough to fill in an enforcement notice. A simple phone call/email won't do. If enforcement is requested in writing, using the proper form, then, the works will be inspected. Planning might then decide to prosecute.
A very lengthy process which needs determination from a concerned member of the public, more likely than not, a neighbour!
Morris Hickey
#4 Posted : 21 December 2011 11:03:57(UTC)
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Yes, Anne, and with certain planning officers if you don't keep nagging them at regular intervals they sit back and do nothing. That's how inappropriate development can occur in the green belt.
weggis
#5 Posted : 21 December 2011 17:57:26(UTC)
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I think the problem here may be that whilst "Permitted Development" is not subject to Planning Permission it is still subject to Building Regulations and therefore subject to inspection.
annesevant
#6 Posted : 22 December 2011 09:41:25(UTC)
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Sure, weggis, but, how on earth can Building Regulations be aware of what people are doing in the privacy of their own homes, as far as home improvements are concerned if nobody tells them?
What is interesting however is the fact you should not have a satellite dish on your big garden shed and this you can observe readily.I could name quite a few superb garden sheds with all mod coms including satellite dishes and even their own escape routes!
pixar_e1
#7 Posted : 22 December 2011 13:23:25(UTC)
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Whats is wrong in having a nice outhouse at the back of your garden as kids study, utils room, office space etc?
Seagull
#8 Posted : 22 December 2011 15:05:27(UTC)
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pixar_e1;13320 wrote:
Whats is wrong in having a nice outhouse at the back of your garden as kids study, utils room, office space etc?


Nothing, but it's rather cheeky when that "nice outhouse" is actually a complete, self-contained, dwelling, like a little bungalow in the back garden, in many cases with its own satelite dish.

You only have to look on one of the property websites to see pictures of inside of the "garage" or "shed" to know that someone is living in there.

Earlier this year there was the case of a man who died in a fire in Chadwell Heath. He was living in the self-contained converted garage, while he rented the house out.
pixar_e1
#9 Posted : 23 December 2011 14:01:56(UTC)
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Seagull;13324 wrote:
pixar_e1;13320 wrote:
Whats is wrong in having a nice outhouse at the back of your garden as kids study, utils room, office space etc?


Nothing, but it's rather cheeky when that "nice outhouse" is actually a complete, self-contained, dwelling, like a little bungalow in the back garden, in many cases with its own satelite dish.

You only have to look on one of the property websites to see pictures of inside of the "garage" or "shed" to know that someone is living in there.

Earlier this year there was the case of a man who died in a fire in Chadwell Heath. He was living in the self-contained converted garage, while he rented the house out.


Sorry to hear about the man but this should not prevent legitimate people trying to utilise space by having a proper outhouse where they plan not to live there. The danger is people by default start to assume a nice house can only mean one thing to rent! That's wrong.
annesevant
#10 Posted : 23 December 2011 15:11:04(UTC)
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Talking about the renting field, it was fascinating to watch a program on BBC1 this morning (People buying houses at auctions and doing them up). It was definitely in England (possibly in Leeds) and they mentioned that if you want to be a landlord there, you must now be registered and checks are made. The accommodation provided has to be to a very decent standard with the proper certificates, fire doors,etc,... Amazingly, these registered landlords are also held responsible and are fined if their tenants do not maintain the property in a decent state (inside and outside).
When you see the tragedy here along Fullwell Avenue (and vicinity) when front and back gardens of so many rented maisonettes are in a dire state, which must be awful for neighbours who do care about their surroundings, why not have the same rules?
Morris Hickey
#11 Posted : 23 December 2011 16:31:44(UTC)
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annesevant;13328 wrote:
Talking about the renting field, it was fascinating to watch a program on BBC1 this morning (People buying houses at auctions and doing them up). It was definitely in England (possibly in Leeds) and they mentioned that if you want to be a landlord there, you must now be registered and checks are made. The accommodation provided has to be to a very decent standard with the proper certificates, fire doors,etc,... Amazingly, these registered landlords are also held responsible and are fined if their tenants do not maintain the property in a decent state (inside and outside).
When you see the tragedy here along Fullwell Avenue (and vicinity) when front and back gardens of so many rented maisonettes are in a dire state, which must be awful for neighbours who do care about their surroundings, why not have the same rules?


There are powers in respect of untidy land under the Town & Country Planning Acts. The problem is getting the council's planning officers to enforce the law.
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