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long as there is tea and biscuits dont mind
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Its a disgrace when you have Cllrs representing wards in which they don't live in it.
When they vote on important issues I bet their decisions are biased in favour of the actual area they actually live in.
Is it not about time the parties sorted this out there is plenty of choice from within the wards rather than selecting members who do not live in the actual ward.
If a member was voted out from one ward to stand in another surely it tells you they were no good in representing the local issues. Must be something wrong here when they are allowed to stand inanother ward. If one ward votes them out then they should stay out as they are only in it for themselves and only only toe the party line and don't do a good job representing the local people.
We don't want outsiders represnting the ward they don't live in
Lets have local people representing the local people and local issues.
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Rank: Advanced Member
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Location: Redbridge Eye
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“Disgrace”? Disagree!
I have known both Conservative and Labour Councillors in Redbridge who have represented wards that they do not live in. They have done so with honour and integrity and have given excellent service to all their ward residents. I only exclude the Liberal Democrats because there are not so many and the ones that I do know represent the ward they live in.
This accolade does not however apply to all of them, nor does it apply to all those who live in the ward they represent or have represented.
As I recall the candidates registered residential address is printed on the ballot paper and if this is an issue for ward residents then they have the option to vote accordingly.
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PS: The above poll is not aimed at any particular cllr living or dead, this is a general question to which i would be interested to hear both side. So please do not get offended and don't pick on any one particular cllr or ward.
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I thought you had to be anyway. I know councils where they have to be resident of the ward for at least a year before they can stand
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I agree with this thread, I've stated before my opinion that Councillors should live in the ward they represent. This is local politics and our elected representatives should be in the community and understand the key issues. If you represent e.g. Goodmayes, you should live in Goodmayes not Chadwell Heath or Ilford.
On a seperate note, how come we have one MP to represent a big area e.g. Ilford North, but 3 councillors for smaller wards? I'm not necessarily critical of this, just wondered why...
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Point- Where is our tea and biscuits?
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More to the point what are all the local Cllrs doing, they don't seem to be doing much other than drinking tea and biscuits.
Might be waiting for another photo opportunity or maybe they need to don some overall and get a broom each and sweep the roads as no one else seems to be doing it.
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I have some sympathy with Councillors. Don't attack me!!!
Although I fervently disagree with the current administration and it's policies, the role of a Councillor (if performed properly) is a hard one - for all parties. For all intense and purposes they are volunteers who give up there evenings and weekends to help their local community. Not many of us would come home after a hard day at work and then go to the bear pit that can be some public meetings. There is also a big difference between the perception of what their powers are and what they can legally do. Granted across all the parties there are a couple of bad eggs / power hungry people, but I think this is still a minority. Perhaps I'm a idealist, I don't know.
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Caoimghin, if you have been drinking something (or taken something) and it's legal, can I have some please?
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Caoimghin wrote:I have some sympathy with Councillors. Don't attack me!!!
Although I fervently disagree with the current administration and it's policies, the role of a Councillor (if performed properly) is a hard one - for all parties. For all intense and purposes they are volunteers who give up there evenings and weekends to help their local community. Not many of us would come home after a hard day at work and then go to the bear pit that can be some public meetings. There is also a big difference between the perception of what their powers are and what they can legally do. Granted across all the parties there are a couple of bad eggs / power hungry people, but I think this is still a minority. Perhaps I'm a idealist, I don't know.
I wasnt attackingyou. I agree if the Cllr did their job properly, it would be a hard job. Are they volunteers? I thought they got some sort of income as a cllr, not just expenses? And yes they have to stick within the law, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARDS TO ALLOTMENTS!!!
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My understanding is that everyday councillors are only paid expenses. Only Cabinet members and the Leader of the Council draw a salary or in council speak an "additional allowance" too.
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The arguement as to whether Councillors should live in their ward, is a bit unreasonable, we all move at times and Councillors have the right to move as well for whatever reason, one would hope within the borough, but that is not always possible, now, should they resign if they move out of the borough is another question
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Rank: Advanced Member
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Council Members are entitled to claim a basic allowance (not all do) which works out to just under £10,000 per annum, i.e. a bit under the minimum wage so not enough to be a full time Councillor. From that I pay my own travel costs, telephone, postage etc. It is subject to tax and national insurance so the net receivable, depending on individual circumstances, is rather less than the total allowance.
Cabinet Members, Group Leaders and deputies and Committee Chairs and vice chairs can claim a Special Responsibility Allowance (SRA) which varies according to the job. The Leader of the Council gets the largest SRA but being the Leader is effectively a full time job. One of the bones of contention is the number of Councillors in Redbridge who can claim the SRA and the fact that most of the ruling group now have them.
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Thanks Cllr Cleaver,
Its a job for for the boys, every committee you chair or sit or hold a portfolio you get a nice little earner. If it was performance related we would all be due a rebate.
Amazing they can find the money to pay themselves a hefty sum out of the council's coffers but when it comes to saving valuable services the message is there is never enough money available. I wonder if anyone gets any bonuses at end of each year after cuttting services or for any other reason? FOI needs to be asked.
Not suprised some people can afford to run a jag rather than using an 'Oyster card' like most prudent people. So you know who's getting the 'gravy'.
We should consider time limit for how long a cllr can serve that way people don't get too comfortable in their cushy little number. Are some past their sell by date.?
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No need for FOI. The Allowances are already available on this website. See: http://www.redbridge.gov...members_allowances.aspx
under the Councillors section of Redbridge i.
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Interesting read Cllr Cleaver, especially Clrr Weinberg's claims. Wow, I wish the public workers got that sort of money, and to think he might still have his full time job.
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Rank: Advanced Member
Joined: 21/08/2007(UTC)
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The problem that the main parties have is that often their most able and willing candidates do not live in a ward that is "winnable" by their chosen party.
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The situation described by Barkingside 21 was precisely mine until 2002, and even then my party took only 2 of the 3 seats repeating that in 2006. Dopeyf in his posting of 5 November makes a very valid point. Whilst I think that I always tried my best for the ward that I represented at the time, one merit of not representing the ward where I live meant that nobody could accuse me with any justification of vested interest.
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okay then why not have it that a person can stand in any ward in the borough they live in but he/she wants but after maximum of two terms they are out
some career politicans are milking the system to their advantage and well past the sell by date
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Likewise if Cllrs don't live in the ward they represent they could be accused of not caring or trying for the ward as it does not impact upon their lives. I do find the idea appealing that Cllrs should live in the ward they represent. Cllrs aren't MPs, they represent a smaller area, they are mean't to be local and crucially have a real feel for the area.
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