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Ley street is an awful site - graffitti on almost all shop fronts, fly tipping, vandalised bus stops, brick walls knocked down, etc - what are the local councillors doing to put this right?
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More to the point what are the local inhabitants doing about it. Like most of central Ilford, Ley Street and much of the surrounding areas would disgrace a third world slum and whilst I am by no means an admirer of the current administration it is unrealistic to blame the councillors and council employees for the ignorant behaviour of many of the residents of this borough, behaviour which is beginning to spread throughout most of the London boroughs. There has to be a reason; could it be that few people even care anymore what is happening to this nation?
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Question. Seven Kings High is off Ley Street. Could the pupils mostly be the culprits?
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Ley Street is a mess and a disgrace really considering it's one of the main roads into Ilford town centre from the Eastern Avenue.
It looks bad enough when you drive along it, but if you walk down Ley Street you will notice just what a slum it has become.
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BryanDicker wrote:Question. Seven Kings High is off Ley Street. Could the pupils mostly be the culprits? You do get more mess in areas round schools, but I don't think the pupils of this school are entirely to blame because it's still messy and litter strewn when it's the school holidays. It's down to people, in general, just not caring one iota about the area.
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The area councillors should be held to account for the lack of visible improvement to the area - as a councillor it is their responsibility to use the council resources at their disposal to enforce people to clean up their front gardens, to penalise people fly-tipping, dropping litter and graffitting - they should ensure a zero tolerance policy in these hot spot areas such Ley street - at the very least the local councillors should be taking note of the comments raised in this forum and acting upon these if they cannot see the problems in their own constituency for themselves
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Councillors and the Council can only do so much. Indeed Councillors are voluntary and many have full time jobs. If we continue to chastiste them, the good people we want to do this vital job simply won't apply. Yes, we must hold them to account, but we should only blame them for bad decisions.
During the last decade the amount spent on cleaning our Borough has seen a marked increase. We are throwing money at the wrong end of the problem. We should stop people dirtying the area in the first place.
The reason we are not seeing much improvement is simply due to new residents who do not take pride in the locality and are selfish.
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Is it not shared responsibility. If someone wishes to challange the culprit they may have fear of being attacked (unprovoked attacks happen). What is the penalty for littering and fly tipping? How many people are caught and penalties imposed? I still say the litter (if can be proved who did it and addresses known) should be posted through their letter box!
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BryanDicker wrote: How many people are caught and penalties imposed? As I have just put on another thread, it would appear that even when people are issued with fixed penalty notices, if they don't bother to pay them, they are not chased up for non-payment. Perhaps someone in the council could tell us how many have been issued and just how many have been paid? Has anyone ever been taken to court for littering? Perhaps the figures could be published monthly on this website: How many tickets issued, how many have been paid and how many have been taken to court? That would make interesting reading. And, how many enforcement officers are there for the whole borough and how many roadsweepers?
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And how many are let off with a slap on the wrist?
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There's an article in the middle of this week's Ilford Recorder about Redbridge's "Grimebusters", the enforcement officers.
It looks an awful job, looking through all the rubbish that the (word removed) of Redbridge leave out on the streets.
I'm surprised to see that the enforcement officers don't appear to be wearing protective gloves as they go through the rubbish!
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Since April of 2007our Enforcement Officers have issued over 400 Fixed Penalty Notices 42% of which have been paid. Those that are not paid are always followed up and we have individuals appearing in court this month on charges relating to environmental offences.
There are currently 14 Enforcement Officers at work in the borough; these are in two groups split between the north and south and again sub divided on a ward-by-ward basis.
There are 98 Street Cleansing operatives employed by the council
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How many officers are assigned to the wards below in any one day?:-
Chadwell
Clementswood
Cranbrook
Goodmayes
Loxford
Mayfield
Newbury
Seven Kings
Valentines
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Thank you dsomoderator1. Do you think the current penalties are effective in discouraging littering/fly tipping?? If not should an alternative be implimented??
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dsomoderator1 wrote:Since April of 2007our Enforcement Officers have issued over 400 Fixed Penalty Notices 42% of which have been paid. Those that are not paid are always followed up and we have individuals appearing in court this month on charges relating to environmental offences.
Only 42% paid?! That's not very good. So, I have to ask, have the other 58% of over 400 people issued with penalty notices all been taken to court? That would be well over 200 people. The court must be a very busy place with all these litter bugs putting in an appearance. Just how much does it cost the council to take someone to court? I think the council's cleansing department is on a hiding to nothing and should not be totally held to account, they're obviously doing their best and it must be a pretty soul destroying job. All the rubbish and litter, especially in the very run-down south of the borough, must be blamed on the couldn't-care-less attitude of the people that live there.
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dsomoderator1 wrote:Since April of 2007our Enforcement Officers have issued over 400 Fixed Penalty Notices 42% of which have been paid. Those that are not paid are always followed up and we have individuals appearing in court this month on charges relating to environmental offences.
There are currently 14 Enforcement Officers at work in the borough; these are in two groups split between the north and south and again sub divided on a ward-by-ward basis.
There are 98 Street Cleansing operatives employed by the council
Or put another way, since April 2007 there has NOT been one prosection for dropping litter, 58% fixed penalty notices that were issued were not paid, and of the 400 tickets issued NOT one was issued to any individual under 18, as the fixed penaly notices are unenforceable against minors. So effectively children can drop litter with impunity, and any adult issued with a ticket can simply ignore it, or drop it in the street. Of the 98 street cleaning operatives, given the rubbish littering certain parts of the borough, either the operatives are deployed in the wrong places, or the size of the problem is overwhelming. Welcome to Redbridge
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Lets put it this way Newbie, I used to see a street cleaner regularly by the Gants Hill Roundabout. When I asked my mother how he is, she hasnt seen him for ages. An ex neighbour of mine is supposed to be a street cleaner in the area, I havent seen him work, so where are they?
With over 50% not paying, what happens to them?? Are some let off with a nod?
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Ley Street is a mess for several reasons. First, front gardens have become car parks. Second, walls in front of houses have been damaged and not repaired, or demolished and not replaced. Third, people who use Ley Street - pedestrians, motorists - are not fussy where they drop litter or dump rubbish. Fourth, shops trade from forecourts to an extent that ought to be prohibited by the local council, but nothing is done. Fifth, the proliferation of "A-boards" on footways outside (and even across the road from) some businesses is not prosecuted by the local council. Sixth, driving standards are abysmally low and the section between Benton Road and Adelaide Road is probably the most dangerous stretch of road in Redbridge. Seventh, Redbridge council's obsession with "entry treatments" at road junctions simply adding to deteriorating driving standards.
I agree with David Sevant - a slum even by third world standards. What I reject entirely is tyhe suggestion that the pupils of a named school are responsible. It may be that they carry their share of the blame, but to put it all on them is odious in the extreme.
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And it is amazing how kids get all the blame. There might be the odd few that let the rest of the school down, but as stated earlier, they are not the sole culprits. So the main issue now is how is that area going to be cleaned up and keep clean? What is the point of fining if half of them dont pay?!?
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Ley Street is a mess 52 weeks of the year, even when the school children are on holiday, so it's not fair to blame them.
I see road sweepers working in Ley Street everyday, but as soon as they have gone, the rubbish is back again, which suggests the residents and shopkeepers are the real culprits.
Not only are the gardens full of rubbish, but the external appearance of the houses are awful, again, suggesting the occupants don't care one iota about where they live or the area in general. Goodness only knows what the inside of the houses are like, it doesn't bear thinking about.
Are most of the houses in Ley Street rented out by distant landlords?
The whole street and surrounding area definitely has the appearance of a slum. On several occasions I have seen rats running across the road.
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