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Hammond
#1 Posted : 24 January 2008 20:10:21(UTC)
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Can't Redbridge Council do something about the largenumbers of Pigeons around the Wanstead Area .AT the moment thereis a flock of between 50 to70 Pigeons constantly perch on the tops ofthe houses in Grosvenor Road Wanstead E11 2EW
The cooing noise,the smell,and the droppings is terrible ,and must be a health hazard to everyone living near by
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weggis
#2 Posted : 24 January 2008 20:43:01(UTC)
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If only we knew what the pigeons were saying about US!
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Seagull
#4 Posted : 28 January 2008 09:51:39(UTC)
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There are always flocks of pigeons outside Sainsburys in Ilford. It looks like Trafalgar Square in its pigeon heyday!!
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Newbie
#6 Posted : 28 January 2008 11:13:07(UTC)
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The council DO need to address this serious problem as it is borough wide, and costs residents large sums of money to deal with, (Installing pidgeon spikes on buildings / flying hawks) not to mention the health problems.

Residents need to be EDUCATED about the dangers to health regarding feeding pidgeons.

Hand out leaflets at places of worship, print warnings in Redbridge life, the Ilford Recorder, put up notices at know problem sites.

Sainsburies Ilford / Thompson Close / Broadmead Road / Grosvenor Road Wanstead to name just a few.

If certain ethnic groups refuse to stop feeding pidgeons, then they need to be regarded as littering the borough, with stiff penalties issued and enforced.

Just because some members of the community claim it is part of their religion to feed wild animals, usually birds, however some have been caught putting chunks of RAW MEAT into the fishing lake at Fairlop, to feed the swans! since when were swans carnivores?

The feeding of the pidgeons / putting raw meat into the boroughs lakes to feed the swans needs to STOP.
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Hermit1
#7 Posted : 29 January 2008 21:49:28(UTC)
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Newbie - this same thing happens at the Eagle Pond, Snaresbrook. A large flock of pigeons live on the roof opposite, just waiting to munch anything left there - mainly leftovers from large family meals or sometimes from businesses. You see car boots open and there are bags and bags of it. I agree it can't be good for the birds, especially if all the food in the lake makes the botulism bacteria grow which has already killed many birds on the ponds. All the waste gets ground like sludge into the pavement - kids walk on this and may pick up salmonella from their shoes. It's no laughing matter! And what's even sadder is that Epping Forest put up a sign in the pond, right in front of where the cars stop - with warnings in 5-6 languages. Still it happens. So what can your leaflets do?
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Newbie
#8 Posted : 29 January 2008 22:35:22(UTC)
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The leaflets and signage will explain to those reponsible that such behaviour will be viewed as anti social (as it adversly affects others in the neighbourhood) and the poisoning (Raw Meat) of the boroughs lakes and birds will not be tolerated.

Fines will be issued accordingly, with stiffer penalties for repeat offenders.

What would have happened if the meat seriously contaminated the lake and all the wildlife died? or humans became infected?

I still have a picture of the man bag in hand, who was throwing chunks of raw meat into Fairlop fishing lake, I stopped him, and took his picture on a camera phone.

Should the authorities wish to get in touch to obtain this evidence I will be happy to hand it over.
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annesevant
#9 Posted : 31 January 2008 10:57:38(UTC)
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I am being lazy asking for some information without trying to do some research first. From somewhere in my memory, I think parts of the land, within the perimeter of LBR, belong to other authorities, like Epping Forest or English Heritage and that makes the muddle of who is responsible for what even deeper. Am I wrong?
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BryanDicker
#12 Posted : 01 February 2008 11:27:37(UTC)
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Anne I think it would depend on who is bothered and who is the ruling party in the neighbouring parts.
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Birdie
#13 Posted : 01 February 2008 14:18:59(UTC)
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And pigeons are just a bunch of rats with wings

And what do rats eat? left over food on our streets usually chucked there by people eating take-away food.

So, if the plans for a KFC at the corner of Grosvenor Road and Wanstead High Street go ahead - those flying rats will have a veritable feast every day.

Redbridge council cannot allow this greasy take-away establishment to come to Wanstead High Street!! :x

It's not in-keeping with the area, - (it suggests that local people do not know how to eat properly) - it will end up a cheap hang-out area for teenagers - who will already be high on the coffee from that awful Starbucks they say is opening on Wanstead High Street.

There is already one chicken (questionable) shop on the High Street that has been there for years - pass by there at any time of day or night and it's full of youngsters, another one will attract more.

Plus, chicken (questionable) shops stink the air out! Anyone who has walked through Stratford town centre will know what I mean.

I for one will be writing to my local councillors to ask them to stop this happening.
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CiaranMitchell
#16 Posted : 01 February 2008 15:48:56(UTC)
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Epping Forest (and what's classed as the Forest is a bigger area than most people think) is controlled by the City of London.
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James Dewen
#14 Posted : 01 February 2008 16:15:21(UTC)
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Birdie wrote:
And pigeons are just a bunch of rats with wings

And what do rats eat? left over food on our streets usually chucked there by people eating take-away food.

So, if the plans for a KFC at the corner of Grosvenor Road and Wanstead High Street go ahead - those flying rats will have a veritable feast every day.

Redbridge council cannot allow this greasy take-away establishment to come to Wanstead High Street!! :x

It's not in-keeping with the area, - (it suggests that local people do not know how to eat properly) - it will end up a cheap hang-out area for teenagers - who will already be high on the coffee from that awful Starbucks they say is opening on Wanstead High Street.

There is already one chicken (questionable) shop on the High Street that has been there for years - pass by there at any time of day or night and it's full of youngsters, another one will attract more.

Plus, chicken (questionable) shops stink the air out! Anyone who has walked through Stratford town centre will know what I mean.

I for one will be writing to my local councillors to ask them to stop this happening.


Are we suggesting that we should regard "Youngsters" in the same way as we regard "Flying Rats"?
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Newbie
#17 Posted : 02 February 2008 12:20:17(UTC)
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Epping Forest are well versed in conservation, their home page can be found here.

http://cityoflondon.gov....paces/epping_forest.htm

They recognise the problem of humans feeding birds and published the following.


News release

Wednesday 30 August 2006

Please do not feed the birds in Epping Forest
The City of London, the conservator of Epping Forest, is today asking visitors to stop feeding birds on all of the ponds throughout the Forest.

Over 40 waterfowl (swans, ducks and geese) have died at Eagle Pond in Snaresbrook in the last week alone. The cause of death is confirmed by Animal Rescue organisations to be poisoning, due to food in the water.

Kevin Garten from The Swan Sanctuary said: “A fantastic amount of discarded food is being put into the ponds and this is extremely harmful to the waterfowl, resulting in poisoning and death of the birds.”

The feeding of birds, particularly people leaving large quantities of waste food, throughout Epping Forest is highly detrimental to both the health of the birds and the local landscape. Discarded food also encourages vermin, which causes problems for residents who live near to Forest land.

Epping Forest Superintendent, Mat Roberts, said: “The problem experienced at Eagle Pond last week is not isolated and we would urge people to stop feeding the birds at all of the ponds throughout Epping Forest.”


Feeding the birds has to stop, as clearly in some places it is doing more harm than good :(
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Hammond
#21 Posted : 05 May 2008 23:02:31(UTC)
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Since I first posted the topic on Pest Control back in January nothing has been done by Redbridge Council to stop the large amounts of food [bread crumbs,broken biscuits,corn seed,and monkey -peanuts] being thrown down for the Pigeons in Grosvenor Road Wanstead,on Christ church green,Nightingale Green,and all near by roads,Morning,Noon,and Night seven days a week it never stops.
Surely this is Anti Social Behaviour,yet if I drop a piece of paper in any road in Wanstead I can be fined £80 by the Council
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thomasg
#22 Posted : 28 July 2008 06:52:11(UTC)
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I live in Wanstead, and it is a mess!
I`ve been hit by pigeons a few times while jogging down the high street (well running).
Something needs to be dun, as people have said, its dirty and a health hazzard.
Now this may cause some heated debates,
But shouldn`t some of them be humainly put down?
We have too many.
I hope something can be done.......
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Newbie
#23 Posted : 13 September 2008 10:18:25(UTC)
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Well finally after 30 years of Canadian Geese over populating and ruining our parks and lake banks has the council been spurred into positive action, having applied to DEFRA for a licence to cull these pests and hopefully bring our parks and lake banks back to how they once were.

This non indiginous pest has taken over our boroughs lakes, ponds and river banks, pulling the grass out by it's roots so it never grows again, and defacating in such large amounts around the lake banks that it now poses a serious health hazzard, many people now stay away from places like Hainault Forest Country Park Lake, and South Park Lake due to the mess left by these birds.

Mr Leighton in the article asks for golden eagles to be flown in the area and for the lake vegitation to overgrow? and argues on cost, when it is well known that flying eagles is only effective when this is done on a long term basis, and will cost many thousands of pounds (over £500 per week per eagle), lake vegitaion left to overgrow is a hazzard in itself to lake users, anglers, boat enthusiasts, children etc, and if left to overgrow too much, costs a fortune to cut back to acceptable levels (Fairlop Lake)

The farmers in the borough have used hides to shoot the geese, and it has proved VERY effective, why not set up a shoot and charge for the days sport to recoup some of the cost?

Once the cull takes place hopefully the native bird population will increase in sufficiant numbers to resore the correct balance back to our Lakes and rivers, and everyone can once again enjoy our parks and open spaces without having to contend with this non indiginous pest.
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Newbie
#24 Posted : 14 October 2008 20:58:50(UTC)
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It would seem the Canadian Geese have been granted a Reprieve , letting anglers back on waters that stopped fishing would be a start, as the geese would stay away from the banks polpulated by people and nest on islands.

Given that the islands are much smaller than the surrounding lake banks, this would cause competition for nesting sites, the successful birds would raise only the young that the enviroment could support, the unsuccessful birds would not find a mate, and would search further a field for a mate, thereby reducing the current population.

Simple Darwinian theory, and at little or no cost.
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