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The results of the Redbridge Conversation have now been published in full. There were more than 5000 responses. View the choices people made and their comments. http://www.redbridge.gov...nversation/default.aspx Redimanager
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Dear redi manager,
Posted at 18.01 and published the same evening!
A rule for you, a rule for us, or are we back to sensible hours and the moderators can resume their duties?:d
Anyway, thank you for letting us know that our opinions are listed.
Will they be considered? Yes!
Will it make any difference?,...
I am still on red alert to save the allotments and even create more sites, the demand is so high!
annesevant
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Hi Anne :d :d
Redimanager was working late yesterday to ensure results were up as promised which is why they were published when they. I was also conscious that forum users would want to express their opinion sooner rather than later :d
Redimanager
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5000 responses from a population of nearly a quarter of a million!!! ok, i know not everyone is capable(eg babies and small children)of making a return but if that doesn't smack of apathy i don't know what does. the 2006 local election turnout was closer to 38% which was still pathetic.
those figures for choices mean little as i voted for some of the top choices ONLY because the council has no choice in whether to spend money in that area ie schools.
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vfmctax wrote:5000 responses from a population of nearly a quarter of a million!!! ok, i know not everyone is capable(eg babies and small children)of making a return but if that doesn't smack of apathy i don't know what does. I would say it is not so much apathy as disenchantment. We know that if what we want is not what the powers that be want we will be either ignoreed or the question will be asked again and again until we get the right answer.
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Thank you to digger for bringing the topic back to life. Digger is right in a way that people in power will rely on public apathy to push through their plans whether people like it or not. In the case of allotments, disposal is not as easy as that if the allotments are statutory because there are strict rules for relocation and the allotment holders know their rights.
Until recently, allotments in the borough, were disposed of very easily due to falling levels of occupancy. (Two examples I know of: the Waterloo Road site in Barkingside, and the Loxford Site.)
Why were the levels of occupancy falling? I cannot say for sure but what I can say now is that the demand for allotments (in Barkingside -my patch-, definitely) is growing fast for a variety of reasons. Remarkably, the actions of the council have made people more aware of the existence of allotments! And people are taking practical steps to save the allotments: forks, spades and secateurs!
annesevant
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I agree with Annesevant about the council and the allotments.
The council under estimated peoples feelings about allotments, it means a great deal to dedicated allotment holders especially for the people who live in high rise blocks and do not have any gardens, I bet the majoirity of the councillors who voted to scrap allotments sit in beautiful gardens during the summer.
I was so glad to hear that for a while longer at least people will get to keep their little piece of "Heaven"
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Not having a green thumb I have no personal interest in allotments but I know that in hard times they can help feed people well
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Hi etoc2001, thank you for appreciating the value of allotments even if you are without green thumbs. Yes producing good food when times are hard is an excellent use of allotments but, there are so many other aspects, human aspects of great importance.
People are motivated to go out to check their plot, then they discover that the birds are active and that the winter sun is warm and they meet with other people from all circumstances of life. You don't need to be fit, you only need a little bit of life left in you. Allotments are a great 'melting pot'. This, I have not managed to convey fully to the cabinet member for the allotments. But, I will keep trying!
(No jokes allowed about the other meaning of 'trying'!)
annesevant
ps: thank you to crazycat too. (Cats adore the allotments, they pretend they are tigers!)
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crazycat wrote:I agree with Annesevant about the council and the allotments.
The council under estimated peoples feelings about allotments, it means a great deal to dedicated allotment holders especially for the people who live in high rise blocks and do not have any gardens, I bet the majoirity of the councillors who voted to scrap allotments sit in beautiful gardens during the summer.
I was so glad to hear that for a while longer at least people will get to keep their little piece of "Heaven" Either those that voted for the sales have big gardens, or they dont like gardening and do not appreciate the importance of precious land such as allotments. I think my Dad would have been proud of those who have stood up to the council and have got this far! One hurdle is a direct answer to a direct question "Is it true that one councillor had said that "they will get their hands on the allotments sooner or later"?". Another hurdle is the Allotment Forum LISTENING to what the members, and their visitors to the meeting, instead of saying that objections to the disposals are unhelpful!!!
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:d Hi everyone,
When the councillors raise allotments issue again I think we should all get together and protest big time and do anything (within the law) it takes to make them see sense.
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In one County, where there are lots of farms (live stock and others), the issue of allotment disposal is taboo. In one vilaage, where there is just under 1000 population, there are two allotments. The council does not need the Big Con versation to know not to flog them off.
To give LBR one bit of Credit, they are keeping their dannies off the allotments...for now.
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I am quite familiar with Cockney slang, but less so with Yorkshire slang, can you tell me how dannies came to mean hands ?
I too am happy that the sale is not yet going ahead.
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I have cut and pasted crazycat:
[When the councillors raise allotments issue again I think we should all get together and protest big time and do anything (within the law) it takes to make them see sense.]
Crazycat, it is not WITHIN THE LAW to flog allotments for money! In 'dire' situations, a favourable exchange could be enforced and the legal fight could be harder.
In more normal situations, we could be told to move to wonderfully secure sites with fantastic water tanks, garden sheds, the works,... And this within strict distance regulations. So we said: where? And the answer: Somewhere! (Any rainbows?)
When I say 'dire', I am referring for example to the Manor Gardens Allotments relocated because of the Olympic development. Relocating them was an awful shame but I would say an Olympic Park is a rather unique case.
I am not advocating breaking the law but,... what is good for the council, (they hoped!!!),...
I think we made our point strongly and thankfully quite a lot of younger people joined the fight!
annesevant :d
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Darel wrote:I am quite familiar with Cockney slang, but less so with Yorkshire slang, can you tell me how dannies came to mean hands ?
I too am happy that the sale is not yet going ahead. I dont know, I am not a Yorkshireman. It's something they say, particularly when they sing "Clap a danny one, two, three" to children.
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