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gooner1963djg
#1 Posted : 17 February 2009 13:41:32(UTC)
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After years of allowing off street parking in New Wanstead (opp Spratt Hall Rd) the council have now started ticketting for "2 or more wheels on footpath". On querying this with parking management (PM) they advised that 2 wheels on kerb is acceptable at this location. However as there is a yellow line in force 0930-1030 mon-fri it is clearly not. Invariably traffics wardens come round between these times as they know we cannot park on the pavement OR road at these times and are easy targets.
On raising this with PM and Cllr Nolan over the last 3 months no action has been taken to resolve this and despite confirmation from PM that tickets would be suspended while they look into the issue of where we can park between these times tickets are still being issued.
Is this happening anywhere else in redbridge?
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vfmctax
#2 Posted : 17 February 2009 16:51:45(UTC)
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are the two actually connected? the fact that the no parking time is only a 1 hour slot would indicate that it's primary purpose is to deter commuter/all day parking. try to establish why the yellow lines were put down.

in my area where we have a 1 hour no parking window, there are bays marked where 2wheelson/2wheelsoff parking is allowed at all times. as long as the pavement is not obstructed or the area parked on is not grass, half on/ half off is usually acceptable where the streets are not suited to full on road parking.
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knowsie
#3 Posted : 18 February 2009 00:19:09(UTC)
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vfmctax wrote:
are the two actually connected? the fact that the no parking time is only a 1 hour slot would indicate that it's primary purpose is to deter commuter/all day parking. try to establish why the yellow lines were put down.

in my area where we have a 1 hour no parking window, there are bays marked where 2wheelson/2wheelsoff parking is allowed at all times. as long as the pavement is not obstructed or the area parked on is not grass, half on/ half off is usually acceptable where the streets are not suited to full on road parking.

I agree with the first point here but the would query the inference contained in the second.

My understanding is that it is an offence to park on the public footway - including partially - anywhere in the Greater London area unless signs permitting such use of the footway are displayed.

A year or so ago I was dropping my wife outside her GP's surgery in Cleveland Road and watched a Parking Attendant place a ticket on a car which was parked on the forecourt of the adjacent Health Centre and overhanging (i.e.: obstructing) the footway. AFAIR, none of the vehicle's wheels were actually on the footway ...
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ITaylor
#4 Posted : 20 March 2009 13:43:06(UTC)
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gooner1963djg wrote:
After years of allowing off street parking in New Wanstead (opp Spratt Hall Rd) the council have now started ticketting for "2 or more wheels on footpath". On querying this with parking management (PM) they advised that 2 wheels on kerb is acceptable at this location. However as there is a yellow line in force 0930-1030 mon-fri it is clearly not. Invariably traffics wardens come round between these times as they know we cannot park on the pavement OR road at these times and are easy targets.
On raising this with PM and Cllr Nolan over the last 3 months no action has been taken to resolve this and despite confirmation from PM that tickets would be suspended while they look into the issue of where we can park between these times tickets are still being issued.
Is this happening anywhere else in redbridge?


Couple of weekends ago (sun morning at 9 am ) I got a ticket for parking with two or more wheels on a footway, when I was parked infront of my garage to the rear of my house (Aldersbrook Est) This area does not have any discernable footway-ness about it as sandwiched between some grass and the small 1 paving slab wide strip. I feel very much that I have been unfairly targetted, and although I have paid the fine I would like to take this matter further to understand the reasoning for such a situation. Any advice or support in achieving this would be greatly apreciated.
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ndh
#5 Posted : 09 April 2009 17:25:11(UTC)
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If you park on the pavement then you are at risk of getting a ticket unless there are marked bays / signs permitting it. Likewise if you park in a way which obstructs the footway or blocks access to a driveway etc. One hour ban-type restrictions are generally to prevent commuter parking (or other all day parking) but leave residents and others able to park there free of charge at other times. Where there are commuter parking problems the alternative to one hour ban type restrictions is a permit parking scheme. The downside of permit parking zones is that if you want to park there you need to pay for a permit and you also need to keep books of visitors permits handy for anyone who calls round.
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Morris Hickey
#6 Posted : 09 April 2009 17:52:54(UTC)
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ndh wrote:
If you park on the pavement then you are at risk of getting a ticket unless there are marked bays / signs permitting it. Likewise if you park in a way which obstructs the footway or blocks access to a driveway etc. One hour ban-type restrictions are generally to prevent commuter parking (or other all day parking) but leave residents and others able to park there free of charge at other times. Where there are commuter parking problems the alternative to one hour ban type restrictions is a permit parking scheme. The downside of permit parking zones is that if you want to park there you need to pay for a permit and you also need to keep books of visitors permits handy for anyone who calls round.



A further disadvantage of parking permit schemes in Redbridge is that the council, in these times of financial difficulty, has a policy of raising the price each year by more than the rate of inflation. These schemes were originally intended to have charges that did no more than cover the cost, but they have now become a source of revenue for a grasping and profligate local authority.
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annesevant
#8 Posted : 14 April 2009 12:38:52(UTC)
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[Likewise if you park in a way which obstructs the footway or blocks access to a driveway etc, says ndh.]

Now, I would like to open a can of worms: what about people who buy permission to a long dropped kerb, the whole length of the front garden, (all legit) and then concrete the front garden (perhaps no so legit) and then pack the defunct front garden with several cars/lorries and then add a line of their other cars along the length of the dropped kerb? Clever? Allowed?
Does this mean that any resident, for a few pounds can have reserved parking for their own use, and are also claiming sole use of a large section of the highway?
I would really welcome 'learned' comments before I blow a fuse!
annesevant
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knowsie
#9 Posted : 14 April 2009 15:03:03(UTC)
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I don't claim to be 'learned' but I do have some comments!

I live in area 7, rather than area 1, but I think these comments have universal 'appeal'!

I have one car and park in the street but several neighbours have dropped kerbs, concreted front gardens and two, or even three, cars. They split up into two categories.

The first category take care to park all of their vehicles outside their house, if possible. The frontages aren't that deep, so parking two vehicles off the road only works if they are both small, so one off the road and one on the road across the dropped kerb is the norm. Of course this can mean a little inconvenience to move the car that is off the road but several people put up with it.

The second category - usually, for some reason, the three-car households - prefer to distribute their vehicles up and down the street to the detriment of others. If one car is not being used, it is always parked on the roadway. When the second arrives, it takes the next nearest place in the sure knowledge that the dropped kerb prevents anyone parking outside their front door and the third one then parks off the road. As the frontage of the houses is only wide enough to park one vehicle, two more households have to forego the pleasure of parking any vehicle they may own anywhere near their own home due to the greed of these people.

I think you can guess which category I prefer! If it gets any worse, I will have accede to pressure from my wife to uproot the hedge, demolish the wall and add another dropped kerb and concrete slab to the street ...
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sappy
#10 Posted : 14 April 2009 16:57:57(UTC)
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I think the worse ones are the people who don't drop the kerb but then park on their concreted front therefore you still lose a space in the road , if they have other cars they then park across their own front, so in fact they have now got 2 spaces that no one else can use, one of them on the public highway.

Another issue is where the car's are too deep for the frontage so the cars end up halfway across the pavement !!
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knowsie
#12 Posted : 15 April 2009 00:37:53(UTC)
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Sappy wrote:
I think the worse ones are the people who don't drop the kerb but then park on their concreted front therefore you still lose a space in the road , if they have other cars they then park across their own front, so in fact they have now got 2 spaces that no one else can use, one of them on the public highway.

That's been tried in my road but it doesn't work! Someone - usually from one of the three-car houses I referred to in my previous post - parks their car outside the house without the dropped curb. As soon as the other resident objects, they point out that, as there is no dropped kerb, it is just a public highway and anyone has a right to park there! They are, of course, correct.

What I haven't seen put to the test is what would happen if the (legal) parking started after a car had been parked on the concreted front. As the parked car on the highway is there legally, presumably there can be case of obstruction. If such a complaint was made to the council, would they take action against the owner of the car that has obviously driven across the public footway to get to the concreted front - or what?

Sappy wrote:
Another issue is where the car's are too deep for the frontage so the cars end up halfway across the pavement !!

Parking attendants can, and do, issue tickets for this - complain to the council and get them to send one down ...
... a parking attendant, of course, not a ticket ...
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BornToBeBanned
#11 Posted : 15 April 2009 10:53:25(UTC)
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Sappy wrote:
I think the worse ones are the people who don't drop the kerb but then park on their concreted front therefore you still lose a space in the road , if they have other cars they then park across their own front, so in fact they have now got 2 spaces that no one else can use, one of them on the public highway.

Another issue is where the car's are too deep for the frontage so the cars end up halfway across the pavement !!


If there is no dropped kerb I think it would be lawful, if morally a little naughty, to park across the front.
The space on their concrete is never going to be publically available, so I don't think that your contention that they are taking up 2 spaces is valid.
I agree that cars overhanging the pavement are a nuisance and it's really difficult to keep buckles, zips etc. on any bags I am carrying from scratching these offenders' cars as I pass by. Tragic.
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vfmctax
#13 Posted : 15 April 2009 17:38:32(UTC)
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parking on your frontage with no dropped kerb make you fair game for the person looking for a parking space. they can and will park not allowing you to get out BUT they are doing nothing illegal as you haven't got a dropped kerb and therefore have no right to drive across the footpath.

a house in my road has this situation. previously the house had a fence and a proper garden. it was then sold(twice in a short period if i recall) and the current owners took the fence down(leaving the grass in place so no hard standing)and rent the property out. the current occupants are determined to use this frontage parking even if there is a car legally parked on the road and to do this they have to utilise the next door neighbour's dropped kerb then sqeeze the vehicle between a telegraph pole and the gate post before parking on the frontage at an angle with the tail hanging over the footpath.

installing a dropped kerb to gain an additonal parking space is merely using the law to your advantage. many on my street had to go for frontage parking with dropped kerbs due to the installation of yellow lines to deter commuter parking.
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LittleOldLady
#14 Posted : 16 April 2009 13:05:02(UTC)
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I'm sure I read somewhere that in one London borough (not sure which one it was) they solved this problem.

When anyone was reported for parking on their front and was crossing the pavement without a council built/approved driveway the council would visit and erect bollards to prevent cars driving over the pavement illegally. The barriers went up even if the car was still parked on the front, thus trapping the car!

Perhaps Redbridge needs to consider this action - it may be just what is needed to stop these irresponsible individuals.

They should also target those cars that don't fit on the front and overhang the pavement with no consideration for the pedestrian.

Get tough on the law breakers!
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